To answer your question SebQtaneus, you have to leave the table after you double or triple up to protect your profit. I sometimes will hang around after that if I am feeling comfortable and have made some nice profits for the day, but most of the time I'll leave and find another table. If I stick around waiting for the BB to come back around, I'm hoping I don't get dealt aces or kings since I'm likely to lose my stack if I get them. When you are no longer a short stack you can't play the short system but that goes without saying. As for rdale's input, nobody has ever claimed you could get rich off playing Ed's short stack system. It is meant to introduce a new player to the game while minimizing his losses and potential swings if he/she has a small bankroll. It is marginally profitable however which is why I feel its ideal for bonus whoring. I usually pull in at least an extra 5 bucks per hour playing short stacked. And I really don't care how skilled of a poker player you are. The only way you're gonna beat me is if you have better cards or turn into a fish and get lucky. A large percentage of short stack players don't play the way Ed suggests. I'm sure you can pick them apart in no time, but the only defense against Ed's short stack system is to get out of the way unless you got better cards and you're not gonna get enough good hands at the same time as me to beat me in the long run anyway. This system reduces the game to preflop hand selection and flop decisions only which makes for only 2 betting rounds. How can you expect to outplay someone with only 2 betting rounds? You can't outplay me, all you can do is bow down or outflop me. It would be suicide for you to make a miller short stack player your target at the tables. There are plenty of people making bad decisions that you can profit from. It would be like looking for tables with the most rocks to make your money. Not very good table selection strategy. Since most bonuses require hands to be raked to clear the bonus I'm somewhat forced to play above my comfort level to meet said requirements. So in closing good luck taking my so called roll with your excellent poker skills rdale. I'm glad you're fearless enough to call my all in's when I have you crushed. I'll win more money from you than you will from me.

You lost me when you said you hoped you didnt get kings or aces because youre likely to lose your stack if you get them.

if you are that paranoid about not losing your stack once it gets bigger, then just shove all in with your AA or KK that you didnt want to get. You may get called and odds are very good that youre the favorite.

If you so afraid of losing a bigger stack even when your most likely a huge favorite (and Im not saying thats the case), then you really are in the wrong game.

I think that playing a short stack when initially moving up to a larger game can be a way to adjust to the larger sums of money tossed around. You can play your regular buy in stack while adopting a short stack strategy of play at a game with bigger blinds.

I know that AA and KK are the two strongest preflop hands and the majority of poker players wait a long time to get these cards, but I feel they are a false sense of security. Preflop they are very strong, but if I'm not all in with them before the flop, I don't want to be all in after the flop. With my entire hand consisting of both my hole cards there are now 3 cards on the flop that could have helped my opponents. I hate KK worse than AA though because if there is no Ace on the flop and I feel have to protect my hand I seem to wind up losing my entire stack in the process. When I'm dealt KK I'm hoping an ace hits the board because it makes my decision easier. If I had a large enough bankroll to handle the swings of the suckouts and bad beats I get with these two big hands, It wouldn't affect me as much. But there lies the problem. I am still trying to build a bankroll and since you will be dealt each of these hands only once ever 221 hands, I don't feel I'm leaving much money on the table. I would much rather have a 72 than AA if I have a lot of chips. With AA and KK you feel married to the pot and if you didn't raise with them preflop and 3 or more people saw the flop, you already lost. At least that's my opinion on it. I did this the other day. I limped under the gun with AA hoping someone would raise so I can be all in preflop. I had recently tripled up so all in preflop was the only way I wanted to play them. 4 people call the BB and the flop came out with a J T 4 rainbow. I didn't like the fact the 5 people saw this flop and I had only invested a quarter. I checked to see what everyone else did and there was a bet and a raise before the action got back to me. I mucked my aces due to my small investment. When I get dealt AA or KK, especially on Party Poker, I feel like I'm being set up to donate to somebody. Those are the only two hands I lose big pots with on a regular basis. I'll depend on my sets and two pair flop to win my big pots and leave aces and kings to all in preflop hands at best. I could spend hours playing short stacked and be up 50 to 100 bucks and lose it with one pair of AAs. I don't like them that much, but perhaps that's because of how many times I get burned with them. When I get a KK I usually lose to AA or AK when the A comes by the river. I don't feel I'm paranoid about these hands, I just have my own opinion on how they should be played based on my own experiences with them. At least I'll never have to worry about paying someone off that flops a set against me as so many will try to do, especially if they knew I had aces.

There are so many completely backwards thinking statements in that paragraph that I wouldnt know where to start. You seem to not be open to having youre mind changed anyway, so Im not going to try. But take it from someone who has been playing a long time and has built a bankroll from $200 to close to $50,000 not including spending more money on things I dont need than I ever have in my life......you are wrong.