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Checking sometimes on the turn??

Postby Zuccala » Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:04 am

Hey Guys, Just a couple quick things so far today I have been thinking about. Ok here we go situation #1:

U are in LP
say you have [As][Kc]

and the flop comes [2h][8d][Kc]

it is bet in EP and u raise it in LP, and all fold except for the EP who bet on the flop

turn [Ad]

Now he checks to me. Is the best plan of action to check it back? I am thinking he is most likely on a K, and this A is a scare card for him bigtime. So if I bet again he may fold. This may also give him a chance to hit his kicker and this pay me off huge, and it will put doubt in his mind about my hand as well. Then he is more likley to buy my value bet on the end. Obviously, I would not check it back on a draw happy flop, but this is just something i have been curious about.

Another situation would be when there are no draws on the flop and I hit tripps on the turn with top pair. A couple times this happened to me and I bet it and my opponent folded, there was no draw on the flop and i think he was calling with 2nd pair. Is this another time i should be so inclined to check it back on the turn??

I am starting to think about stuff like this more now and I need somebody with more skills than I to help me. Do any of the above 2 make any sense?? Thanks Guys!!
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Postby neverslowplay_AA » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:14 pm

Or he hit his ace and had paired his kicker on flop so he now has 2 pr and doesn't want to scare u off. I know this is small possibility. I have seen idiots do this. If he is scared of the ace on turn he will still be scared on river. He has maybe 3 outs to hit his kicker. Not gonna happen often. The river free card may give him a set on river. He bet or called your bet on flop with small or med. pocket pair. Don't let have a free card. I maybe jaded but those are my thoughts. I try not to slowplay on any streets unless I have the mortal nuts. I only play lower NL.
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Postby Zuccala » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:19 pm

You are right, if he has a PP he may set on me. I am just cuious if it is worth the risk to get paid?? Cause the only real risk i have of giving the free card is a set if there are no draws out.
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Postby Stoneburg » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:44 pm

On that flop KQ/KJ seems like the most likely hand that would bet/call so that A should be a scare card. I think checking behind is a good idea, might even induce a bet on the river from a weaker king if he thinks you were bluffing, and then he might pay off a small raise. I don't worry about him hitting a set, he's only got 2 outs for that and if he calls a raise with an underpair OOP his money will be mine in no time anyway.

If he's a tight player that won't play Kx in EP you may want to start worrying about 88 and 22 though, in which case you just got a free chance to outdraw him. Most people don't play sets like this though.
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Postby Zuccala » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:52 pm

I thought it was a good idea. It also saves me from getting C/r'd if he does have a set. However, i really think it is a no-lose play except for the time u get setted. Even then u have all the extra value bets gained to pay that sting off! Ouch.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:27 pm

The odds of someone hitting a set after this action are very low. Theyre already very low, but the odds of him betting a medium pair like 99 and calling a decent raise are low as well, so he shouldnt even have a pocket pair based on this action.

If hes a calling station, I bet the turn 1/2 pot. If hes a good player, then checking behind is fine. If you check behind, he will probably bet the river whether or not he hits his kicker because he will think that the ace was a scare card for YOU.

But heres the key. You HAVE to raise the river when he bets. You lost out on the turn bet amount and you have to get it back by raising the river no matter what card hits.
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Postby rdale » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:05 pm

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