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Am I Weak-Tight? (Pocket Jacks)

Postby majakovskij » Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:24 am

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:35 am

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:39 am

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Postby laynegt » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:36 am

my turn. :)

i'm against raising here b/c basically you're running a bluff w/ two outs against two aggressive post-flop players. you can't beat anything that calls you; in combination w/ the fact that you could be enticed to put/call more $ in on later streets b/c JJ is just good enough to stay in with. it's a very marginal situation that could get very expensive. i would wait for a better spot.
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Postby majakovskij » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:32 pm

I don't feel comfortable playing big pots with jacks. I don't want to peel almost 30% off of my stack just to find out I'm up against a better hand. I'm not saying Godlike is wrong though, it's just how I feel about the hand.
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Postby AlamedaMike » Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:38 pm

Some days you are the bug and some days you are the windshield. :D
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Postby Chris-bg » Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:02 pm

Since he's EP give him some respect. :)
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Postby rdale » Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:29 pm

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Postby wolvish » Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:01 pm

You guys (except Godlike) are a lot tighter than I am.

Preflop raiser is loose and agressive postflop. This guy could be betting out with anything. Most likely a hand like A10-AK since he is in second position, or a flush draw. If you're going to call raises with JJ at all, this has got to be one of the better flops for it. My vote is to raise it up on the flop, something substantial, say like 15-20 more and see what happens. If he goes over the top then you probably have to lay it down. But if he just calls be ready to put him in the turn if its favorable.

Also, lag bet 9 on the flop, 3/4 of the pot. I think if he had a hand like AA-QQ or TT he would probably bet the full pot because he doesn't like that flush draw. Smells like a continuation bet and a strong raise could have won the pot. We also know that UTG is tight passive before the flop, but after that flop he's agressive. If he had a hand we would probably have seen a bet out of him.

If you don't want to lose any money with JJ finding out if you're ahead, you might as well just fold them to a player you know is going to make a continuation bet if its checked to him on the flop. If the only flop you are looking for is a set, then you should only get into cheap flops, otherwise I dont think its going to be profitable in the long run (particularly if you have a tight image, which I'm guessing you do).

I don't understand why no set, no bet is good in late position, or last to act like here. I would tend to set it or forget in early position with JJ against a strong preflop raise. But in position with a 10 high flop a don't see why an overpair is so weak that it must be folded.
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Postby Chris-bg » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:41 pm

If you raise him and he calls, the only favorable turn for you would be another jack.
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Postby wolvish » Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:59 am

When I said favorable, what I meant was cards not likely to hit his hand. I see a number of potential turn cards that, while making a possible nut hand, certaintly wouldn't scare me. For example, a 98765432 of clubs, spades, or diamonds... to name a few.
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Postby majakovskij » Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:36 am

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Postby CocaCola » Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:50 am

i would reraise preflop to $10 to rep aces or kings here, if he flat calls i 3/4 pot it if checked to me or fold if he bets into me.

with the way this hand went i think folding is probably the best play. if you raise he may stick around even with two over cards much less qq-aa, you have no way of telling what he's holding really without investing alot more chips

flat calling is outta the question, theres so many scare cards for you. he may put you on a draw and bet hard to move you off it on the turn with any-two in the hole also.
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