Yeah..I would give up...

You're not commited if he calls and you miss.You can't think your pair of 7's would have any chance of winning at this point. This way it saves you money. You have to figure if he will call a $125 raise..then he would call an allin. If you miss there's no reason to bet the river. Just check/fold.

You're are committed, however, if he reraises you on the turn. Which is fine..because you're getting more then enough pot odds at that point to see all your draws.

In my opinion, the all-in bet was proper. You want him to either fold or commit his stack ensuring you have implied odds to be in the hand. Any player worth this salt is laying this down unless they tripped. Going all in looks like your protecting your hand from a flush draw or straight draw and have a monster. I'd fold if you made this play on me. This guy did not flop a set you should take it down.

One more point,

Betting anything more than 80 is basically pot committing this guy on turn (if I'm adding the stacks properly), so if he is going to call that bet he should just go all-in over the top anyway. So again, IMO all-in is the proper play for me. But then again, you know how aggressive I am.

I really don't like making your move this late in the hand. There's too much money in and only one card to draw. To me, this is a great example of where pounding the flop would be a very nice play. You get a weak bet in a raised pot, and you have a nice draw (which isn't necessarily any good, as has been noted).

While I don't think I would have bet it out here (wanting to see how the raiser likes the flop), I'd probably checkraise the weak flop bet to about $60 or $70. If I got a caller, I'd probably check it to the river with or without the flush (with the flush just check-calling; without, check-folding).

Another option, which is probably really the most sound, is just continuing to check-call on the turn. Basically, punish the weak bets by proceeding with the draw against someone who isn't protecting whatever hand he may have (and he doesn't really seem to need to protect it much with AdKd).

Anyhow, another note from my cursory review of Brunson: When you bet (whether flat out bluff, real hand, or whatever), you're much better off if your opponent is risking MORE than you are. Here, if you make the move on the flop, your opponent is risking his stack over and against a $60-$70 checkraise. If you make the move on the turn, your opponent is risking exactly the same amount that you are, because a reasonable bet leaves no real stack-depth.

I still like a raise on the turn...fold equity!

However I don't agree with my brother stapher about the all-in. The all-in does not represnt any relation to pot size and looks completely out of place. This usually represents weakness..usually a drawing hand.

If you raise to $125...it is more in relation to pot size and looks like an actual hand. Also if he calls, if you hit any of your outs...you can move all-in on the river..knowing he will call his last $60.

If you miss your outs...you can check..knowing you cannot bluff him. You save your last $60.

So if you raise smaller.... Your fold equity is the same or better. You still get all his money if you hit the draw...and you save $60 if you miss.

What is the difference between holding AK and AJ in that spot if you feel his bet is buying it?

The folding equity that raising this turn gives you is one major factor between good and great players. I think just calling is what 90% of players do (and what I used to do a while ago) and its just not good.

Whether I raise to $125 like Kenny says or I push in, Im taking this pot away at least 80% of the time and when he calls, Ive got 17 outs if he has TP which he'll have most times. That gives me just under 40% chance to win.

Youre the math wiz, so Im sure you can see how just calling is really bad. Theres alot of BBs in this pot because there were so many preflop callers. There is no better hand than this one to push with a big draw and use the folding equity to my advantage.

Kenny,

You are missing my point here. This strange all-in bet is meant to look weak and strong at the same time. It puts your opponent in a tough decision, which is what all good poker players want to do to their advisaries. Like Iceman picked up on, you make this bet because you are willing to take the pot down right there if he folds, or take your 17 outs and try to double up if he calls. That is why pushing all-in is such a great play here. Whatever you opponent does in this case (fold or call) is the play you want. When making this bet you are taking advantage of the strength of your hand, and completely controlling your opponent. When you control your opponent, you control every aspect of the game. This is what we all strive for. This is what makes GREAT players. I'm suprised that you don't agree with me here because I've watched you make this play dozens of times.

Ice,

I think your logic here is right on. I'd make this play at any game, at anytime. This hand is the perfect example of why we call raises with 87s and take peoples stacks.

Please argue if you'd like, this is a great topic on advanced poker play.

Chris

Eloquent words do not make it a better play.

I'll make it simple.

With my play... you win the same amount...but you lose less if you miss. That's why it's the better play.