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Four of a kind on an evil board

Postby Clockwork » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:41 pm

1/2 NL on Party

CO raises $6
SB calls $5
Hero calls $4 from the BB with J[h]J[c]

CO $270 (18%/4%/3.2) Seems pretty decent
SB $150 (36%/1%/1.1)I've played over a thousand hands with him and he's been a winning player somehow.
Hero $310

The pot is $18
Flop
J[d] Q[d] 9[d]

SB leads out and bets $10
Hero raises to $30 (I don't really like this board and I want draws out)
CO calls $30
SB calls $20

Pot $108
Turn
J[s]
SB checks
Hero checks (I am hoping the aggressive CO will sniff out weakness and try to move in for the kill)
CO checks

Pot $108
River
T[d]
SB bets all-in for $114
Hero.......

Is this an easy fold? Why would he bet like this with a straight flush?
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Postby k3nt » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:46 pm

Holy mother of ****.

Is the SB a bad player in general?

I'm trying to think about what's going through his mind. This has to come up about one time in a million. How on earth would a typical player bet a rivered nut straight flush on a paired board from out of position? Heck, how would I bet it? I have no clue.

Maybe I would push, just out of excitement at having such a great hand.

Jeez. I probably call this and expect to lose. :roll:
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Postby T-Rod » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:52 pm

Sweet gentle jezus that is a crazy board.

There is no way on this earth I could ever lay down a four of a kind. Nope, never. I call.

Also, if he had the straight flush, wouldn't he bet lighter not wanting to scare away profit? I'd say he has the low-medium flush looking to scare away a higher flush.

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Postby Jarren » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:55 pm

hmmm...wow

Wow

Really only two cards beat you, but the odds of him having the K of diamonds have to be pretty good.

I would assume you are beat, because what the hell would he be hanging around with?
maybe he flopped a set and figures he has enough to make you fold with a bet
maybe he has Ax suited.

but he could easily have the K or the 8

wow
I think I call but I would be swearing at my computer the whole time, and getting ready to do 100 push ups maybe
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Postby Clockwork » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:06 pm

Ugghh.....I guess I should have called. I sat there til time expired contimplating on pulling the plug from my computer. I didn't not only because it's cheating but I really wanted to see a straight flush or possibly a royal.

SB had T[s]T[h] for a rivered full house
CO had A[d]K[h] Nut flush

This hand makes me sick. I don't usually let poker effect me that much, but I couldn't sleep last night thinking about it. That had the possibility to be a nearly $450 pot and I folded the winning hand. After that hand I logged off and haven't had the slightest urge to play since.
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Postby T-Rod » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:10 pm

Jarren... just for the record, its only 50 pushups to prevent tilt and 100 to punish bad play. :wink:

I say he's suffered enough.

Hang in there Clock.
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Postby Jarren » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:23 pm

Oh well I started doing push ups because of you, so when I finally tilt off all my money I should be huge

I think if i had the K or 8 I wouldn't push it all in, I would try and value bet it

but laying down that hand would be a problem for me, I don't know if I could do it
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Postby BigPhish » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:47 pm

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Postby Jarren » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:08 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:29 pm

I did lose a monster pot once with quads to a straight flush (and there were 4 cards to the straight flush on the board), but theres still not a snowballs chance in hell Im folding four of a kind.

The odds are just as good that the SB has the [Ad] as the [Kd]. Just based on that alone and not knowing what the cutoff is going to do, youre getting 2:1 to call when its an even money proposition as to which high diamond he has.

If this was a no max buy in game and my entire bankroll was on the table, I might consider folding quads to an all in on this board. Short of that, Im not folding.
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Postby stealthtt385 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:44 pm

Yikes....I wouldn't have laid it down even if I were in the cut off and it was bet then raised for my entire stack.
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Postby briachek » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:31 pm

First off, I'm still betting that turn as most people will still draw on a paired board which makes the river much easier as the pot is bigger and you have less to call. However, I am not folding quads on that river getting those odds.
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Postby Molina » Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:59 am

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