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AA against a raise on the turn

Postby Stoneburg » Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:43 am

Standard prima table, ie: pretty loose, not too aggressive. My opponent in this hand is the only one who covers me, we both have ~$45. I have no read on him, meaning I haven't seen him do anything stupid or spectacular.

Stoneburg : Calls for 0.20 [Ad] [Ac]
Sto82 : Folds
Wil008 : Folds
rossth : Folds
FlashNelson : Calls for 0.20
Kimppa : Folds
kera : Folds
starsinger : Folds
stefboost : Folds
deathroller : Checks

I decide to limp with AA utg hoping for a raise obviously, especially from "Kimppa" who's a muppet and can't let go of his hands at all (I've seen him bluff off his stack with 6 high after calling all the way to the river with no pair no draw). Unfortunately, only the big stack limps behind, and the BB checks.

Flop $0.70 [6s] [7d] [Qd]
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deathroller : Checks
Stoneburg : Bets 0.80
FlashNelson : Calls for 0.80
deathroller : Folds

Turn $2.30 [Ts]
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Stoneburg : Bets 2.40
FlashNelson : Raises for 9.60


What to do?
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Postby k3nt » Tue Jul 12, 2005 10:49 am

He has 89. Possibly QT. Fold.
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Postby bensberg » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:00 am

I would fold too. The limp re-raise didn't work, so now it is time to not lose your ass in an unraised pot.
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Postby Stoneburg » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:09 am

Result:
I folded, so I don't know what he had. My thought was 98 for the straight, possibly QT for two-pair, just like K3nt.
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Postby kennyg » Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:57 am

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Postby Rhound50 » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:56 am

Solid fold here, once you fail to limp raise here you have to be willing to fold when your opponant shows stregth, your opponant could now have almost anything and all you have is one pair.
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Postby T-Rod » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:15 pm

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Postby kennyg » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:00 pm

I'm sure he was looking for a limp reraise trodgers....

It's a play I often do from UTG..and now looking at my poker tracker stats...UTG is my best winning position.
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Postby T-Rod » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:16 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:34 pm

I think open-limping AA is fine in EP, and possibly MP if you have aggressive players in LP. Obviously it's not my *intent* to let people in cheaply, quite the opposite, but that's not a huge disaster as long as you can get away from it.

I felt this fold was a significant step in my development, a month or so ago I probably wouldn't have let it go. Something I read on this forum (from Iceman I think) about playing a limped AA/KK like TPTK was at the front of my mind at this time.
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Postby T-Rod » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:43 pm

I agree. Great fold
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Postby kennyg » Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:26 am

I was suprised as anyone looking at my UTG stats and seeing .27 BB won per hand. My button stats are .18 so it's a significant difference too. These stats listed are mostly from prima..a little bit from party. All this year.

Lately from UTG I have been limping with AK, AA, and KK. I raise with QQ. and will limp with JJ (just looking for a set from JJ.) Occasionly I will open raise with a suited connector to mix it up. I will limp with any other pocket pair. My VP$IP is 9.72 from UTG.

I don't always limp with those big hands of course. It depends a lot on table texture. I'm more then happy to throw my AA and KK away if I get a lot of action; if the hand isn't raised preflop.

I will sometimes limp reraise with AK, depending on the action...represnting AA. Even if they call the raise....they probably fold to the flop bet 80% of the time. I'm willing to put out some fairly big bets doing these plays...so it's not for the faint of heart. :)

My 10 biggest net winning hands UTG go as follows:
AA
QQ
88
AK
77
TT
98s
JJ
KK
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