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Postby iceman5 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:47 pm

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Postby droqqa » Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:31 pm

I dont call, and one of the main reasons is that the fishy player is going all-in, so there will be a showdown. If MP shows QQ this time - I'll get him next time. :)

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Postby kennyg » Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:41 pm

Yeah I call it.
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Postby iceman5 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:58 pm

Very good point Droqqa. I hadnt thought of that.

I had AA and busted both of them. The short stack fish had AJs
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Postby kennyg » Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:11 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:31 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:52 pm

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Postby Aisthesis » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:42 am

Excellent example, ice. I definitely fold it.

A tricky TAG against another TAG may well re-raise AK ONCE. That's actually a good play. But he's not shoving in to a re-raise from another TAG with AK. The "reduced probability" of AA/KK has completely changed due to the action.

Against a TAG, calling is just pointless imo. Best case scenario is a split pot with another KK, and there's absolutely no way there are any odds here to add to the 6 instances of AA.

If you have reads on players, then you simply have to use them. My list of players against whom I'll fold KK is short, but there ARE some names on it.

Similarly, here's my view on reversed positions: $350 stack in MP raises to $10 with KK. $200 stack re-raises to $30. Both are tight players. I think KK needs to flat call here. with awareness that he's drawing to a set, which imo is also still acceptable: It costs $20 to call, and that's just a hair over 10% of stack. The K is actually going to scare AA less than a J or Q, I think, if AA is really thinking about the hand--precisely because KK has such a strong tendency to re-raise. Almost everyone does it, but I'm just not convinced. And if I let AK catch the ace, so be it. The AK re-raise is very uncommon among full-stacked TAG's (at least my observation--everyone seems to hate AK, probably because so few players are capable of laying down, and if you have even one die-hard calling station potentially in the hand, you can forget it anyway), and, to be profitable, imo requires an even more solid read of one's opponent.
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