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KK FR NL25 Lay down PREFLOP?

Postby Yenool » Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:46 pm

http://www.pokerhand.org/?928459

Ok, so I am not worried about the short stack, obviously he is a muppet, they all are, his range is AQs, 99+.... probably more.

I am worried about the full stacked guy who has been 14/6 after 100 hands... Standard laydown or bad fold?

Hand 2: http://www.pokerhand.org/?928468

Ok, this guy is LAG, he knows I layed down KK in that previous hand only about 1 orbit ago..... I can't put him on anything but AA or QQ or a total bluff.... Bad fold? I think I should have pushed preflop?
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Postby BigPhish » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:05 pm

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Postby WayToGo » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:11 pm

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Postby Pok 7's » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:34 pm

Okay I'm fairly new to NL so take it for what it's worth but.

I can't fold hand 1

Hand 2

I would probably either shove PF or if I saw that flop without an A I'm probaly either shoving, or if he's the type to to a lot of CB's I would CRAI.

Again I'm real new to NL ring games so this advice might totally suck.
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Postby geiststaat » Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:57 pm

Hand 1: not a standard fold. if you have more info on him regarding bet sizes and what he typically does with AA, then you can start to consider folding. Here, he's just pushing in behind a short stack push. You also need to consider what your table image is. If you haven't raised a hand in the last 50 hands, then maybe you can fold. He can easily have AK in this spot and you are well ahead of that.

Hand 2: I disagree with everyone previous. Why would you reraise or push in preflop against a LAG with a hand like KK? You are telling the LAG you have a big pair or AK when you do that. He has to be braindead to call a push without aces or kings. If you reraise and he has any clue, he can put you on a very slim range and play near perfect against you. Flop comes Q high with rags and he does what LAGs do. You call, which begs him to try and push you off your hand on the turn, which he does. You announced previously that you had KK and showed that you didn't want to play for your stack with it, so pretty much he's thinking if you don't have QQ or AA he's taking this pot down.

If you aren't comfortable playing oop against a LAG with a big pair, then push in preflop and you won't have to worry about it, but I think you are leaving a ton of money on the table unless he's a LAGTARD and will call your push.
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Postby Pok 7's » Thu Mar 22, 2007 2:06 pm

My thoughts were since he said his oppoent was a LAG, that he might just call a PF shove.

So as far as my other option you don't think CRAI on the flop is a good idea? Waiting for the turn is a better play here.
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Postby Yenool » Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:40 pm

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Postby Devbert » Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:53 pm

I couldn't have layed down either of them - at NL25 you need to be willing to broke with big over-pairs more often.

The players aren't good enough and don't understand the math behind the betting, so they aren't usually pushing for value with sets.

Gotta learn to start going broke in these spots (if necessary).
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Postby muszu » Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:05 pm

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Postby Yenool » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:41 am

Result:

Hand one, the short stack turns over QQ and the Other guy who pushed turned over AA


Hand two.... The guy turns over K-7 off-suit for a total bluff.........
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