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AA vs a tight opponent (NL $100 6 max)

Postby GooperMC » Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:48 pm

The Shaggy Dog 10474611-327984 Holdem No Limit $0.50/$1
[Feb 14 02:16:47] : Hand Start.
[Feb 14 02:16:47] : Seat 1 : I_Suck_Out has $180.25
[Feb 14 02:16:47] : Seat 2 : RedWraith has $50
[Feb 14 02:16:47] : Seat 3 : Docx has $35.22
[Feb 14 02:16:47] : Seat 4 : EatTheCat has $73.50
[Feb 14 02:16:47] : Seat 5 : floflosolo has $101.25
[Feb 14 02:16:47] : Seat 6 : gogators17 has $0
[Feb 14 02:16:47] : I_Suck_Out is the dealer.
[Feb 14 02:16:47] : RedWraith posted small blind.
[Feb 14 02:16:48] : Docx posted big blind.
[Feb 14 02:16:48] : Game [327984] started with 5 players.
[Feb 14 02:16:48] : Dealing Hole Cards.

[Feb 14 02:16:48] : Seat 4 : EatTheCat has [Ah] [As]
[Feb 14 02:16:56] : EatTheCat called $1 and raised $3
[Feb 14 02:16:57] : floflosolo called $4
[Feb 14 02:17:02] : I_Suck_Out folded.
[Feb 14 02:17:04] : RedWraith folded.
[Feb 14 02:17:04] : Docx folded.
[Feb 14 02:17:05] : Dealing flop.

[Feb 14 02:17:05] : Board cards [8h] [4c] [Jc]
[Feb 14 02:17:11] : EatTheCat bet $6
[Feb 14 02:17:15] : floflosolo called $6 and raised $12
[Feb 14 02:17:30] : It's your turn.
[Feb 14 02:17:30] : EatTheCat has 10 seconds to respond.
[Feb 14 02:17:33] : EatTheCat folded.
[Feb 14 02:17:36] : floflosolo wins $20.50 as the last player standing
[Feb 14 02:17:38] : Hand is over.

floflosolo was TA (VP$IP 18, WtSD 20) over 130 hands and is a generally winning player. Is this too weak tight?
Last edited by GooperMC on Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby black_knight6 » Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:30 pm

WOW...you folded that? Way weak tight...WAY weak tight.
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Postby phytopath » Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:48 pm

Yeah no way I can fold AA here. Alot of hands you crush play exactly the way you opponent did.
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Postby NorthView » Wed Feb 14, 2007 2:55 am

At the same tables I prefer betting closer to full pot here esp. OOP, so I'd make it $8.

Don't let people push you off the flop so easily, esp. when there are draws around. Many players will play a FD, T9 or AJ this way.
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Postby GooperMC » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:18 am

Maybe folding was too WT but I am a little confused about why its so obsiously WT, so please help me out.

The hands that I can put him on
1) [Ac] [Kc] / [Ac] [Qc] / 9T: I am going to be a 2:1 fav
2) AJ: IMO very unlikley for someone with a VPIP < 20 at 6 max
3) Something that missed: Very few players at this level make this play.
4) Pair + flush draw: I am going to coin flipping
5) A set: I am going to be 10:1 dog
6) QQ, KK: Unlikey because there was no re-raise preflop.

2 and 3 are unlikely enough that I don't think they are worth talking about. 4 is also unlikely but is is basically neutral EV so not a big deal either way. I am OOP so every time I run into something from 1 or 6 they are going to be able to control the pot and I will win a small one. Everytime I run into something from 5 I will lose a big one.

I realize there are also meta game considerations but I don't think they are that important at this level.

What line does everyone prefer?
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Postby ua1176 » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:06 am

i would call here and fire out again on a non-[c] turn.

folding to a flop minraise on this board is pretty weak.
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Postby Zmej » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:29 am

Wow. Folding AA. For a single raise...

I just can't imagine the game conditions in which this fold could be correct. Moreover, you only have about 75BB and should be happy to play for stack almost on any flop.

My preferred line would be to push over his raise here.

As to your estimations of his range. 1-4 is way more likely than 5, and you underestimate the frequency of 6. And you should be happy to take a coinfliip with 1 and 4, as there is a lot of money in the pot and you don't want to be pushed around like that. And if you are going to move up oneday, that's a very bad habit that you are developing by folding here.

Still. Wow. Folding AA...
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Postby T-Rod » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:35 am

I probably call and bet a non club turn. I think a min raise on the flop can be a draw or a weak J even. On the turn... that's different.

I do think your basic line of thinking is good for Tri-donka. No need to go nutso with just a pair when they'll pay you off when you have stronger goods.
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Postby Rhound50 » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:07 pm

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Postby GooperMC » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:35 pm

Rhound - I got 2 outted in a $2000 pot last year, I have also broke a cup in half playing catcher. The feelings were similar.
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Postby Zmej » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:30 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
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