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AJ on JTx call the push? ($100NL 6max)

Postby Spank_her_Pair » Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:16 pm

I have $135 stack, UTG covers.
Dealt to Spank: [Ad] [Jc] in BB


PreFlop
UTG: Call ($1)
2 Folds
Button: Call ($1)
Player 0: Call ($0.50)
Spank: Check ($0)

[Th] [5s] [Jh] ($4)
Player 0: Check
Spank: Bet ($3)
UTG: Raise to ($6)
Button: Fold
Player 0: Fold
Spank: Raise to ($36)
UTG: Raise All-in ($159.05)
Spank? $102 to call pot is $186.

I have played with UTG before and he plays his made hands strong. For example-- he re-raised PF with KK, flopped a set and bet strong on the flop and then overbet pushed the turn. (i had a smaller set). Because of this I put him on a draw or weakish hand (TP or worse) because he wouldnt min-raise such a super draw heavy flop. So my TPTK must be good. I raise big expecting him to fold a draw with insufficient odds but then he pushes. He is a pretty good player (25/14).

Stick with my read and call Or fold?
[5c] [7c]
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Postby Roy Batty » Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:46 pm

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Postby DoctorHandles » Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:56 pm

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Postby Zmej » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:24 pm

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

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- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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Postby ua1176 » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:29 pm

i would rather call the initial minraise and lead out any non-[h] turn.
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Postby Spank_her_Pair » Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:42 pm

[5c] [7c]
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Postby KeLLoGsX » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:56 am

My guess is you're up against a draw trying to push you over. Even if you're ahead are you willing to risk it all with such a marginal hand. Perhaps a call instead of reraise is in place to see what shows.

I think you're better off with a preflop raise and a lead on the flop.
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Postby Zmej » Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:35 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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Postby Roy Batty » Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:28 am

I don't see how calling this reraise on flop should even be an option, It doesn't seem with this guy's stats, that he would limp with smth like 26 of hearts or 89o UTG. I still say fold is a better option because TPTK in an unraised pot on such a board where you're behind even against KhQh seems pretty mediocre to me.
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Postby Yenool » Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:51 am

Holdem Newbie...
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Postby Spank_her_Pair » Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:39 pm

After reading the posts. I agree that calling the flop then leading a non heart turn is the best line. I will however give the pot away the times villian has Jx and the heart comes. But it would create the best EV against a draw. Also if he does have say KJ and i lead the turn he is likely to call, but if i re-raise the flop he probably mucks.

Also, I was super confident in my read. I have seen him bet strong with big hands many times and never seen him play them weak ( i have over 1,000 hands vs this guy) . I knew he would not min-raise 2-pair or better.

I called and he had [Kh] [7h]
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Postby k3nt » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:57 pm

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