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Postby wreck27 » Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:19 pm

I agree, if he is a solid player, then the little bet was to induce a raise. Nash makes a good point about pot odds but I think I fold here. I raised to gain info, I got what I wanted and I find a better place to get my money all-in.

Now just like every time I respond to "Ice's" hands I find out I was dead wrong..lol
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Postby bobby » Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:26 pm

perhaps slightly off topic here, but the question brings up another question....

Would a good, solid (but tricky) player ever make such a bet (the 30 dollar bet) with AAs or KK?? I realize it would be looked as "wrong" but does that ever happen?? Just curious....
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Postby iceman5 » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:10 pm

This guy doesnt raise suited connectors so if he has a flush its the nut flush.

I cant it being correct to bet $30 into a $95 pot no matter what he has. Maybe he would do that with [Qs][Qh]? I dont know. Nothing makes sense.

Anyway, I pushed in and he had KK. UGH!

I still think his play is really dumb. The turn card WAS a spade and if I had had [As][Qh], or something like that, I wouldve just called his weak bet abd he wouldve wished he had done something different.

I dont think calling his $30 bet is an option at all.

Set over set sucks of course. Add that to losing AA vs KK 3 times already and I dont know how Im still winning. Those type hands will even out in the end though, so I cant worry about it.
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Postby iceman5 » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:52 pm

OK, he knows Im tight. Knowing that, how does he play the hand when I raise? If he put me on a flush he wouldnt reraise. He knows I have a set or a flush, but he cant know which one. He didnt even try to figure it out. He had top set and was willing to play for his stack no matter what I had. I did the same.

The odds are too good that I am the one with [As][Kh] for him to be afraid of the flopped flush.....which is also why he shouldnt bet $30.

In this particular hand, if I had just called and the spade hit the turn, I might have been able to take it away from him (but I emphasize "might")....but he couldve just as easily had only a high spade (A or Q) and I wouldve let him hit it for almost nothing.
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Postby AlexMR » Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:13 pm

Ice,

I was going to post a very similar hand, where the villain busted me. I was dealt 77 in the SB. i had 130 and had all players covered.

FLOP. with only three payers came 7 - 8 - 2 all hearts. I checked. The pot was only 1.5. A player in MP bet 1.5 , 1folds and i raised to 5. he thought for a while and called.


TURN. $11. Qs. I bet $7. he thinks for a while an raised all in ($18). THAT SUCKS!!! but I didnt fold and he showed me 5-6 of hearts and the river didnt help me.

Would you have folded that hand?

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Postby iceman5 » Fri Aug 05, 2005 5:03 pm

No, because when he pushed in, the pot was $36 and it was $11 to you. Youre getting 3.6:1 on your money which is apporiaching the correct odds to draw to the boat and very well may already have the winner. No way you can fold that.
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Postby iceman5 » Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:02 pm

I forgot to mention that if I had just called the $30 (and theres no way I would do that), I doubt I would even try to take it away from him when the 4th spade hit because I would be pretty damned sure he had a high spade which is why he bet only $30 on the flop.

His play just makes no sense to me. He does tend to slow play monsters, but this isnt a hand to slowplay from his perspective.
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