Hey guys,

Hey guys I am in the BB with [5c] and its all folds to LP who makes it 5BB and I make the call (bad??)

The flop comes [6d][Ac]

I lead into the raiser for the full pot, u like?? If he raises I am pushing?? What do u guys think of this??Thanks

yes, if he raises, you push. the only hand you're a dog to is AA. even then, you have a bunch of outs. anything else....AK/AQ/AJ....KK/QQ/JJ...you're a significant favorite against those. and i think you have a ton of fold equity against one-pair hands (obviously against KK/QQ/JJ). this is a great spot and a great board to push with a draw in my opinion.

i might lead for slightly less than pot, to increase the chance that i'll get raised. but a pot-sized bet is cool too.

jon

I think you played it fine after the flop. The call before flop is marginal, but it's fine if you are trying to mix up your game.

He miniraised, then i pushed and he called with. [Kh]

The turn.....................

Thank you very much!!!

What I prefer to do is lead into him for about 1/2 pot. Hes much more liable to raise even with nothing.

When you lead full pot and he raises (normally more than min raise), you have very little folding equity because hes put alot of money in already. Thats not the end of the world since you will rarely big a dog, but you wont be a big favorite either.

The beauty of the play comes from havign him fold 50% or more of the time you reraise him, but you still win hlaf or more of the time he calls. If you lose the 50% folding equity, then its just like getting all in preflop QQ vs AK which is OK, but theres lots of better spots to get all in.

2 questions :
- is this play still valid with only the flush draw?
-if you are on the other side of this play do u call with top 2 pair or better?

I agree that I wouldnt have called the raise in the 1st place since its heads up.

And, no, the play is nowhere near as good with JUST the flush draw. It will look much too obvious and when you get called you are a 2-1 dog most times.

most of you probably already know this, but after the flop the 4c 5c was a 57% favorite. cool. (just started playing with PokerStove)

If you had TPTK would you lay this down? at the $10 NL tables I've been playing at I don't think there is any way I would.

Well, if had TP/TK and raised a bet and was forced for my stack. Reads become soooo important. Most of the time I fold. I try never to lose my stack w/ TP/TK. You have to look at what u beat here? Who is gonna go ALL-IN here with something that AK beats. AQ( I doubt it)?? A flush draw?? I think this is an easy fold for a TP/TK. Cause 2 of ur outs are counterfitted. Way too many people lose their stacks with TP/TK. Just fold and wait for a better spot. Cause clearly, in the above hand I am not scrared of his raise.

However, this could be a call if you had notes on someone that likes to push with FD's on the flop. Very read depebdant. Overall, its a fold more often then not. I don't like getting everything in on the flop with TP/TK....yuck. The folding equity is what makes this hand so great.

Call me weak-tight. Even if I have notes that say a particular player will push on the flop with a FD. I will prolly only call if he is short stacked. I just hate it.

Zuccala, you have been learning from me. Of course that makes you weak tight.

You are only 57% on the flop when u have an OESD FD and two live over cards. Not just a OESD and a FD. 54% though is correct which isn't much different.