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KK vs QQ

Postby AlamdeaMike » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:21 am

and QQ vs KK

Somedays you are the windshield and somedays you are the bug. So, I guess it evens out in the long run.

I had KK and doubled up nicely now I have QQ and this hand.

FullTiltPoker Game #258799695: Table Cavaliers - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em
Seat 1: wildy ($14.75)
Seat 2: PokerTony ($65.95), is sitting out
Seat 3: AFPD ($30.30)
Seat 4: AlamedaMike ($60.10)
Seat 5: DaJMan ($20.60)
Seat 6: Shak ($48.25)
Seat 7: Jack1eye ($28.10)
Seat 8: Teaguen ($57.70)
Seat 9: hillaryduff ($178.65)
hillaryduff posts the small blind of $0.25
wildy posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to AlamedaMike [Qs] [Qh]

AFPD folds, AlamedaMike raises to $1.75, DaJMan folds, Shak folds, Jack1eye raises to $5,
3 folds, AlamedaMike calls $3.25

*** FLOP *** [5h] [Th] [4h]

AlamedaMike checks, Jack1eye bets $10.75

My action here should be? FOLD?
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:39 am

BTW,

I read in a book somewhere that one of the goals in poker is to find someone you can beat up on and proceed to beat up on them. :lol:

That is so true. Jack1eye took my money. I think he is a better player than I am. So I found someone else that I could beat.

I flopped a set of 5's against a preflop raiser that had QQ and stacked him. He could not fold his overpair. I could have been against a set of Jacks but luckily I wasn't.

Ah, the secret of poker reveled - survival of the fittest.

Like a predator in the jungle - pick on the slow, weak, lame and sick. Or like the polar bear that eats the fish. :lol:

Now, if I could just get out of the fish category myself I might actually win more.

Also, I flopped a set of 5's vs. a set of 3's and of course he lost all his money as would we all.
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Postby Horshak » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:41 am

Easier said than done but I would fire out half the pot and see what he does. If he calls I would be very concerned if another heart hit, you also have to be concerned about AhKh as well. If he jams or raises I probably dump it. A jam/raise situation would probably be either AK or AA or KK with a heart. Going for a checkraise here is too costly I think. I am never really confident drawing to a 4 card flush unless I have the Ace and I am definately not trying to play a big pot. Check folding seems way to weak, leading out and seeing what he does is what I would go for.

Most reraising hands preflop are typically AA, KK, QQ and AK from what I see, barring a really aggressive guy pushing AQ/JJ or 1010.
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:19 pm

Thanks

I probably should have bet out (best move) but the all heart board surprised me.

I had the [Qh] but was not too sure it was an out. He had $12 left after he bet.

So, since I did not bet I was in a quandry. I liked my hand but did not want to lose another $22.

Folding was too weak - calling was not good, I would be commited to the pot - so I put him all in.

[Jh] hit the turn.

He had [Ks] [Kh]

He had me all the way.
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Postby rickjr82 » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:08 am

the big problem is that you are playing for your stack with no idea where you are in the hand. pre-flop he took away your momentum (as most of us would do) and you have to make your decision right there. He either has you beat with a higher overpair and you call to set or you reraise and fold to a push. because of the stack sizes the second option is less ideal because any reraise is close to half your stack. I don't like using the fourth heart as an out because it's 50/50 he has a higher heart and thats only 9 outs anyway so we can call it 4 1/2 outs almost a gutshot. so make your decision preflop to set it or forget it. Most times if an ace flops and he bets I reraise (because everyone slowplays sets of aces) represent AK and take the pot.

I like the idea of calling a re-raise with AK only if in reailty it looks like qq-22
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:40 am

Don't lose your entire stack in an unraised pot or with only one pair.
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