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Postby iceman5 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:19 am

$1/$2 NL

UTG limps, I raise to $9 in the SB with [Ac][Kc]. BB and UTG both call.
BB is very solid. He not a super great player but hes tight and solid. UTG I dont know. We all have full stacks.

Pot is $27. The flop comes [Tc][4d][5c]. I decided to check here. I almost always bet the flop but htis time I decided that if either of them made a decent sized bet, I was going to check raise all in. But they both checked

Pot $27. Turn [Ks]. I bet $20 and BB calls.
Pot $67. River [Jd]. Whats your play here? Bet $40 and fold to raise? KT and KJ beat me but I doubt this guy would call raise with those hands. He could have a set but he ALWAYS min raises with a set (even with a flush draw available).
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Postby T-Rod » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:01 pm

How about a check raise. Sure you might lose value, but you gain lots of information on how to play it and you save that 40 you can use to just call him if you don't like his bet.

Raising 40 and folding isn't bad either.
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Postby Tokenizer » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:03 pm

I would check call a reasonable bet and it's probably not a bad idea to check fold here. I don't think there's much value in betting out and folding to a raise because there are few hands that you beat. AQ, KT, KJ etc are all ahead. I don't think he checks JJ or QQ on the flop nor do I think he calls a bet with 99 or less. If you can take him off a set and he's a solid player then what can he be calling with that you beat? Would he play KQ like this? I guess 6c7c makes some sense.. but you'd think he'd bet that strong on the flop. IMO he's got a set, will wait for your river bet and then min raise or whatever for value.
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Postby Rhound50 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:08 pm

i know you have said in the past that value betting on the river is one thing you need to do more, I think this is the situation here. Its hard to think this really solid player called a raise with K10 and then checked when he made top pair on the flop. KJ is possible and I wouldnt called a big reraise, but again your solid player likely isnt calling a raise with KJ. This smells much more like a PP and after you checked the flop he didnt believe that you had a pair. I think 80% if you check he checks behind.
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Postby Stoneburg » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:16 pm

Bet/fold or check/call would seem to be the options. I have to admit that I woild be prone to check/calling but bet/folding could very well be the best move against this player type, against a LAG this would be an easy check/call for me.
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Postby reveen » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:39 pm

I would check and call a reasonable bet. Seems like a set of tens to me.
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Postby poker2006 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:11 pm

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Postby Tokenizer » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:11 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:50 pm

I didnt read him for a set. he always min raises with a set. I checked and he bet $36. I shouldve called because I dont think he will call a raise with KJ, KT or JT.

I split with AK and beat KQ. But I folded. He told me later he had AK. Bad fold on my part and it looks obvious after the fact.
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Postby Tokenizer » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:58 pm

OK! I get it, he *always* min raises a set. I'm still surprised at how many people think you're ahead of a solid player here... and I'm a LAG!

Edit: also you say you beat KQ, but does a solid player call raises from the SB with KQ either? IMO thats easy to drop from his range just as easy as KJ or KT.
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Postby kennyg » Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:46 am

i would have check/called or bet the $40. either one is fine with me.

I can see checking because you induce bets from missed flush draws (unlikely here but possible) and straight draws...or even value bets from hands like KQ. I wouldn't raise the river bet because the only thing that will call is beating you.
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