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KQ calling allin

Postby AlamdeaMike » Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:11 pm

This is more a psychological question rather than an odds question. How much are you willing to gamble?

You are in a live NL game with a mixture of players. Rocks, LAGs and at least one is drunk and has been playing all night. :lol:

You are LP with KQo and decided to limp in to see the flop for $3. The pot has $15.

The flop is [5s] [Qh] [7s].

The BB (drunk) in seat 1 checks, four other players check. You are last to act and decided to bet $15. Now the pot has $30.

Now the drunk wakes up and goes all in for $1200. Everyone folds to you. You have $250.

No way are you going to call that with just Top Pair and Good Kicker. But, before you muck the drunk shows you his cards.

[As] [9s].

You have not acted yet and you are free to call if you want.

call or fold?

Let's say that I was the observer on this hand so I will not get slammed for playing KQo.

To help you out I ran this hand using PokeStove and you are about 55%. The pot has $280 and you need to call $250.

After the action the player UTG says he mucked KQo. That would make you 52.5%.

I just though this would interesting since NL is not just about the odds.
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Postby flafishy » Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:32 pm

Given all that information, why would you not call? Only reason not to is scared money. And if that's the case, you shouldn't have started playing in the first place.
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:42 pm

Don't lose your entire stack in an unraised pot or with only one pair.
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Postby flafishy » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:14 am

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Postby AlamdeaMike » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:27 am

Sorry for the confusion.

That was a hypothetical situation based on an actual hand. The real question is 'how much are you or I willing to gamble on a 55/45 shot for all your chips'.

Most players say sure and many do not give it much thought.

I used this play to set up the question. It is easier than just asking are you willing to risk all your chips for a 54/48 - QQ vs. AA for instance.

The only way to know for sure the odds is to see the cards.

So after the cards were exposed 1/2 the table said that the player should have called WITHOUT knowing the cards.

I think that calling an all in without having a solid read on the player is not correct on this hand. How do you know he was only on a flush draw? He could have had AQ or a small set.

So asking that question is silly toi me. So, I changed it.

I though it would be an interesting look at dynamics of NL play. Plays like this come up all the time.
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Postby OyvindG » Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:51 pm

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Postby AlamdeaMike » Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:10 pm

Don't lose your entire stack in an unraised pot or with only one pair.
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:21 pm

BTW - I meant to post this under ring games. :oops: and if you were in a MTT you would be risking you trounment on a 55% chance to win.
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Postby low dough » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:00 am

Moved to the appropriate section.
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Postby OyvindG » Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:53 am

Gee
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:14 am

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