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Postby Smokin'Al » Sat Oct 15, 2005 9:20 pm

Party 2/4 6 max NL.

Villain's just been on the wrong side of two big hands, and is down to $100 odd.

He is in SB. I'm in MP with [7s][8s]. Button and BB also come in.

So there's $16 in the pot, 4 players, and [As][Qs][9s]

SB lead pushes for $100. BB folds. Easy fold? Easy call?

[EDIT: had the flop wrong. Now correct]
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Postby black_knight6 » Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:23 pm

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Postby kennyg » Sat Oct 15, 2005 10:33 pm

Short stacks usually have no clue so I think it's an easy call. If you lose, I thank poker that he didn't have more money.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:24 pm

Easy call...but how was he on the wrong side of 2 big hands playing 2/4 and hes only down $100 odd
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Postby Smokin'Al » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:14 am

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Postby T-Rod » Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:44 am

I'm still not folding.

I think its more likely that he has something like K[s] J[d].
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Postby Smokin'Al » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:44 pm

Oh yeah, the results for this one: I folded after a bit of a think.

He was kind enough to show [Ts][6s] for the higher flush.

It seems to be quite trendy to reply to these posts ("I have <set/flush/straight>, board makes possible <better hand>, dumb opponent moves all-in into small pot. Do I call or fold") by saying it's an easy call.

Problem is most such pots I've seen or read about, the dumb opponent has had the hand in question.

I think a combination of empirical evidence, the fact I've seen him overbet a big hand, and the fact he might be on slight "catch-up" tilt, makes it pretty likely he has the flush.

So let's look at some numbers: say he has a flush... there are 6 cards left, 3 of them beat me; so I'm behind 3/8 + 5/8x3/7 = 36/56 = 65% of the time.

Now if X% of the time he has a 2:1 draw, and (100 - X)% I'm behind 65% of the time, then with 6:5 odds, I need X*0.3 + 0.65 - X*0.65 < 5/11 for the call to be profitable, ie X > 57%.

So I should fold if I think he has the flush > 40-45% of the time.

But I'm willing to concede I may be a weak tight idiot who's results oriented :)
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Postby T-Rod » Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:36 am

Good read and nice laydown. Good reads trump just about everything.

However, especially at 6-max don't you have to take in the odds of both of you flopping a flush and that he will be higher and that he will play it real fast. I gotta believe that (esp at 6-max) is very slim.
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Postby laynegt » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:35 am

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Postby poker2006 » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:55 am

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