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I'm back and running bad, can you play these better?

Postby greggabe » Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:52 am

Hey guys, I am back. Been on extended vacation for a while after the bar exam. Was on a really good run for a while after my vacation. I had my PTBB up to 11 over 15k hands. But had a real bad run of beats mixed with frustration play that has brought me down to 7PTBB over about 21k hands. I think I started becoming a bit too trappy and overconfident that I couldn't lose. That being said, I think these hands are combo bad beats and bad plays and I want to see if you guys could get away from them or play them differently and not lose an entire stack.



Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed)

MP2 ($246.95)
CO ($441.50)
Button ($122.10)
SB ($217.50)
BB ($172.50)
UTG ($187.50)
Hero ($166.30)
MP1 ($81)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [Ac], [5c].
UTG calls $2, Hero calls $2, 5 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($7) [As], [5d], [7c] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($7) [5s] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $4, BB folds, UTG raises to $8, Hero calls $4.

River: ($23) [6c] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $30, UTG raises to $60, Hero ?



Hand #2

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (10 handed)

CO ($216.65)
Button ($175.20)
SB ($220.45)
BB ($181.45)
UTG ($213.10)
UTG+1 ($196.25)
UTG+2 ($111.10)
Hero ($219.30)
MP2 ($69.80)
MP3 ($502.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with [4h], [4d].
[color=#CC3333]UTG raises to $7
, 2 folds, Hero calls $7, 3 folds, Button calls $7, SB calls $6, BB calls $5.

Flop: ($35) [Kc], [4s], [Qs] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $35, Hero raises to $80, UTG goes all in, Hero?

Is this a spot you can lay down your set or is KQ, AK just too likely?


Hand #3

I put him on AA when he reraises me preflop yet as we all say can't lay the KK down there for 11 more, take a flop and see what happens. Now an A and a K come on flop. I put him on AA yet still got all my chips in the pot. Was this stupid should I have been able to lay down to his raise on turn or do I have to call this? I had some hints here, 1) the reraise preflop, 2) the check on the flop indicating strong hand. However, this could have added up to AK as well and I just could not let go of my set.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed)

SB ($196.85)
Hero ($215.45)
UTG ($329.85)
UTG+1 ($198.80)
MP1 ($107.50)
MP2 ($110.10)
CO ($103)
Button ($376.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Kd], [Ks].
UTG+1 raises to $6, 2 folds, CO calls $6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $16, UTG+1 raises to $27, CO folds, Hero calls $11.

Flop: ($61) [6s], [Kc], [Ad] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Turn: ($61) [Td] (3 players)
Hero bets $40, UTG+1 raises to $110, Hero goes all in for 188, UTG+1 calls

River: ($431) [6c] [color=#0000FF](3 players)


Final Pot: $431
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Postby briachek » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:00 pm

Hand 1: Hero folds preflop, if not, hero bets the flop. Hero reraises the turn and goes all in on river. If he somehow has 77 or AA, I pay him.

Hand 2: Hero calls. Set over set sucks but this is what you want in this pot.

Hand 3: that really sucks if he has AA. He tries to tell you that but I don't know if I'm good enough to trust my read that much to fold it. I bet the flop and I'm all in if he raises me or all in on turn but if this is set over set again, nothing much to be done unless you are 100% sure its AA and not AK.
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Postby k3nt » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:05 pm

I think all those losses just suck. Don't worry much about them.

#1, why aren't you leading that flop? Yes you'll probably take it down most of the time but that's fine. I guess you have to call the river. He had 77 or AA I suppose? Back to back check-minraises is a BAD sign. Ick.

#2, props to him if he can lead for full pot with a set. I guess that's the joy of the UB "bet pot" button. Makes people much harder to read. Part of why I never play there anymore.

In #3, once he checks the flop but raises the turn, I probably do put him on AA and nothing else. But damn it's hard to actually find that fold button.
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Postby greggabe » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:39 pm

Bri, you are right that I should lay #1 down preflop, I have been playing too many hands lately during this strong run. And Kent you are right I should have bet the flop on that hand as well most times but I decided to slowplay here b/c it was pretty unccordinated flop and I got a little greedy.

But on that turn when he min raises I think that is a spot to get in the reraise right? He probably has an A or a 5 and I can get a raise here and get more money in the pot with what is most likely the best hand. If he comes back over the top of me I probably have to call. Given the way the hand unfolded to that point do you think a raise was appropriate on turn? Or do you just call him down.

I will post results after a few more responses but virtually guarantee no one can guess his hand on #1.
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Postby k3nt » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:18 pm

Well, with the hint that nobody can guess his hand in #1: I'll guess that he has either [9s][8s] or 66.
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Postby shobute » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:21 pm

Hand #1: There needs to be way more money in there by the river. I disagree with the others, I think you can limp this sometimes. Call the river, don't reraise.

Hand #2: Barring a very good read on the player, I can't lay this down.

Hand #3: He played it like he had AA. You gave him every reason to think you had AA or KK, so I have to fold. But it's bitter. Mind you, I've seen some maniacs play this way having down to TT or AQ.

Edit: if we're gonna play the guessing game for hand #1, I say AA looking to limp-reraise preflop. :wink:
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Postby greggabe » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:47 pm

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Postby briachek » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:18 pm

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