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Bad Push?

Postby SideSwipe » Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:05 am

Guys, help me out on this one. Was I too aggressive from start to finish?



ABSOLUTE POKER GAME #xxxxxxxxx: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $0.25 - 2005/10/04 - 15:52:19 (ET)

Table 'Table xyz' Seat #7 is the button

Seat 1: HERO ($27.45 in chips)
Seat 2: UTG+1 ($28.25 in chips)
Seat 3: UTG+2 ($8.57 in chips)
Seat 4: MP ($58.11 in chips)
Seat 5: MP+1 ($11.20 in chips)
Seat 6: LP ($9.50 in chips)
Seat 7: BUTTON ($10.67 in chips)
Seat 8: SB ($32.52 in chips)
Seat 9: BB ($7.50 in chips)

SB: posts small blind $0.10
BB: posts big blind $0.25

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to HERO [Ac] [Jc]

HERO: raises $0.75 to $1
UTG+1: folds
UTG+2: folds
MP: folds
MP+1:folds
LP: calls $1
SB: folds
BB: calls $0.75

*** FLOP *** [2c] [Ah] [5c]

BB: checks
HERO: bets $2
LP: raises $2 to $4.75
BB: folds
HERO: All-In(Raise) $2.75 to $26.45
LP - All-In $8.10
HERO - returned ($13.60) : not called

*** TURN 2c Ah 5c [Kd] *** Total Pot($28.80)

*** RIVER 2c Ah 5c Kd [5s] *** Total Pot($28.80)


*** RESULT ***

Board [2c] [Ah] [5c] [Kd] [5s]

HERO - Show cards [Ac] [Jc] Two pair, aces and fives

LP - Show cards [Ad] [Ks] Two pair, aces and kings

Total Pot($28.80) Rake ($1.40)
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Postby shobute » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:03 am

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Postby SideSwipe » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:19 am

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Postby T-Rod » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:57 am

Several thoughts:

1) At these stakes, fold equity is usually pretty small. People just want to call.
2) I like the play a lot better if the flop was 2[c] J[h] 5[c]. That way you're A[c] is actually an out.
3) His stack is too small. Short stacks have trouble folding (they think everyone is just bullying them), and they don't give good implied odds to draw. When you draw to a big hand, you want a big payday.
4) :cry: no more boobies.

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Postby laynegt » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:24 am

no way i'm folding.

if i read the bet and pot amounts correctly, i think a push is fine. i would assume like 10 outs here: 9 clubs and 1 for a J since we might be up against a set. if lp calls the push (which i agree he's going to almost all the time), you're betting $11 to win $18, for ~38% odds, which 10 outs is enough for. and there is of course a small chance AJ is ahead...$25 table and all.

if you're absolutely positive you're beat, call his flop raise and don't put in any more $ unless a J or club hits, b/c you technically won't be getting odds to see the river if he pushes. but even so, i'm going to call him down here no matter what. actually, i would prefer this line b/c he might fold a weaker ace if you push on the flop.
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Postby SideSwipe » Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:37 am

Another lesson learnt, cheers guys.

Oh and Trodgers, I changed the Avatar cos someone posted in the Site News, Feedback and Support forum asking how he could switch off Avatars. I guess it there was too much boobage for him !?!?! And I only changed mine cos MVP was asking where he could get some nice Avatars.
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