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Never try to bluff a calling station

Postby AlamdeaMike » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:17 pm

No comment necessary - just never try to bluff a calling station on party NL25

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)

BB ($29.50)
UTG ($25.95)
UTG+1 ($2.90)
Hero ($23.55)
MP1 ($18.75)
MP2 ($25.55)
MP3 ($12.85)
CO ($28.25)
Button ($4.65)
SB ($18.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with [Kd] [Qd]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.35) [7s], [Ad], [6d] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $2, MP3 calls $2, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: ($7.35) [Ac] (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP3 calls $4.

River: ($15.35) [8c] (2 players)

Well, missed my flush so I can only win with a bluff.

Hero bets $6, MP3 calls $5.85 (All-In).

Final Pot: $27.20

Results:
MP3 has [4h] [Ah] (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: MP3 wins $27.05. Hero wins $0.15.
Don't lose your entire stack in an unraised pot or with only one pair.
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:35 pm

For the life of me I do not know how he figured to have the best hand on the flop.? I played this the exact same way I would with AK or AQ.

I'm not checking the turn with 2 [d] there if I had a big Ace, that is.
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Postby LottaFagina » Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:25 pm

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Postby Tokenizer » Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:26 pm

The heart of the problem, as you probably know, is that you raised with KQs in EP. At a party table where no one is paying any attention rock it up and only play pairs and leave the SC etc stuff for LP limps. Good plays only work against good players, play the texture of the table.
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Postby Tokenizer » Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:28 pm

As an added note: whats he going to fold here getting ~4:1?
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Postby excession » Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:47 am

He might not be quite as bad a player as you paint - there are so many folks at the low stake NL tables who bet out for the rest of the hand once they took the lead pre-flop that calling a lot of them down with TPNK is probably +EV.

I'm not sure that I like your play that much especially on the turn - you must put him on an ace or pair at least (and possibly the set) having called you on the flop after a PFR- you have nothing and so are behind.

There is $7 already in the pot and he has less than $10 left - why are you throwing another $4 in? You don't have implied odds if you hit and he is unlikely to fold to fold his ace to a 60% of pot bet...

If you want to play this aggro I would just push it all in on the flop - a bit '2+2 cheese bet' but at least it removes the position issue, and gives you some real folding equity on the flop.

To be honest though if he had the typical <50% fold flop at party $25's I might just make a check or weak $1 lead - if he comes over the top I can always still push back all-in or fold. If he flat calls then that's ideal for pot odds and iIve established that he is either on the flush draw or has a weak ace/smaller pair.

And generally if you are repping the made hand and not the flush draw it would be wise to bet $3 or $4 anyway...

And yes I don't raise pre-flop with KQs in EP either unless I have a lot of respect on a passive table...
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Postby Stoneburg » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:50 am

I concur that it is a mistake to raise in EP with KQs. I don't mind the bet on the flop but you shouldn't be betting a draw on the turn out of position. Especially not when you get called on that flop AND you may be DRAWING DEAD. He could very well have been slowplaying 77/66/A7/A6. Bluffing the river when the ONLY hand he won't call with is the flushdraw, which you actually BEAT with your K high also seems like a big mistake.

Sorry but I actually think he played it better than you, even though he obviously played it pretty poorly too. If you post this hand you NEED to be able to look at yourself and accept that you make mistakes. By the tone of your post I interpret this as another "Oh look at how poorly HE played it" post which is totally unconstructive.

This is what the Feedback evolution looks like:

1. Dismiss
2. Defend
3. Explain
4. Accept
5. Change

Right now you're probably between 2 and 3. You want to get to 4-5 as quick as possible. Staying at 1-3 is very emotionally satisfying and easy but it costs you money.
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:45 am

Don't lose your entire stack in an unraised pot or with only one pair.
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:01 am

Don't lose your entire stack in an unraised pot or with only one pair.
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