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Postby JJSCOTT2 » Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:32 am

Tonight was a rollercoaster ride at NL25 on Party, started horrible, turned really good, turned really bad, and ended up mediocre.

Most of these hands are from tonight, just wanted to get some input.

Hand 1:

This hand needs a little set up because it may be relevant. Villain is playing pretty loose, about 38% VP$IP. However, the table was pretty tight overall, the previous hand, I raised K3s in the CO just to try to stimulate action and because I love K3s (until later). Villain called, checked, I BTP, he folded, I showed. On to the hand:

Stacks: Hero $26, Villain $46.65

Preflop: Hero is MP with [Ad] [As]
Villain is BB

Hero Raises to $1, Villain Calls.

Flop ($2.00) - [3d] [4s] [3s]

Villain checks, hero bets $2, villain check raises $45.55(all-in). Hero Calls.

Turn: [2s]

River: [2h]

Results: Final Pot: $72.25 Villain shows [4h] [4d] - Full house, 4's full of 2's.

Remarks: This entire sequence of events screamed bluff to me. Is there any way I can fold this? I mean, it either looks like a flush draw, or someone with a middle pair not wanting to give any high cards a chance to fall. Any thoughts?



Hand 2:

Stacks: Hero $26.70, Villain $66.90 ( same guy as previous hand)

Preflop: Hero is CO with [8h] [9h], Villain is MP
4 limps, SB completes, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50)(6 players) – [2h] [Qh] [6c]

Check, Villain bets $.25, Fold, Hero raises to $1, Fold, Fold, Fold, Villain Calls

Turn: ($3.50) [2s]
Villain bets $.25, Hero Calls.

River: ($4.00) [Jh]
Villain bets $.25, Hero raises to $4.05, Villain calls.

Results: Final Pot : $11.50 Villain shows [Qd] [Ts] – Hero wins.

Remarks: This turned out OK, the only reason I throw it in here is because I was so confused on the turn, I mean, it looks like a classic NL25 blocking bet, but then I started thinking, well……if this guy is on the same flush draw as me, maybe I should put in a raise and see if I can force him off it and take the pot down right now. What do you think?

Hand 3:

Stacks: Hero, $24.40 Villain, $21.10 ( no read on Villain )

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Jd] [8d]
3 limpers, I complete, BB checks

Flop ($1.25): [8s] [Jh] [Kd]
Hero bets $1.20, Villain raises to $2.40, LP limper calls $2.40, Hero Raises $10, Villain goes all in $20.80, LP limper folds, hero folds.

Remarks: Anyone do anything differently here? I’m not too upset about this one, it seems pretty standard, I just hate that feeling when I lose half my stack “finding out where I am”. From the first action, I hate the min raise, but I think my hand is too good to fold in that spot, but then again I can’t call because it doesn’t define my opponents hand at all. Once he moves all in, I can’t think of anything he could hold that I beat, and being bottom 2 pair, if I’m beat now, any card that improves my hand, improves my opponents hand as well. Any thoughts?

Hand 4:

Stacks: Hero $25.50, Villain $15.55

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Qc] [Td], Villain is EP limper
5 limpers, I check

Flop ($1.60): [Jc] [9s] [Tc]
Hero checks, Villain bets $1.55, LP limper calls $1.55, Hero raises to $4,
Villain moves all-in $15.30, LP limper folds, Hero calls.
Turn: [Kc]

River: [2c]
Results: Hero wins $33.75 with flush, King high.

Remarks: Even though the results were good, this hand just made me feel like a fish as soon as I clicked call, I assume I’ll have many people agreeing with me on that one. What do I have, a straight draw? Come on, I can’t call that bet. My fish feelings were further validated when I found out that he had the [Qd] [8d] so really, the turn made a split pot, and the runner runner clubs did it for me.

Hand 5:

This was the breaking point that sent me into an hour long downturn, and in retrospect, it was all my fault.

Stacks: Hero $24.40, Villain $33.23

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Kd] [3d]
Villain raises to $.50, Hero calls $.40(I do love my K3)

Flop: ($1.25) [Kh] [7d] [8d] – Not too shabby
Hero bets $.75, Villain calls $.75

Turn: ($2.75) [Jd]
Hero checks, Villain bets $3, Hero raises to $7, Villain calls.

River: ($16.75) [Js]
Hero hates this card and checks, Villain bets $15, Hero calls $15

Results: Final pot ($46.75) Villain shows [Jh] [Jc] 4 of a kind, Jacks.

Remarks: Clearly I should have folded the river, I just couldn’t press the fold button because I didn’t want to believe that he went runner runner full house on me, and actually I was right, he didn’t. I had this gut feeling on the turn that he had just made something pretty good, I should have raised more I guess, how do you play this one? God I still can’t believe I called.

Hand 6:

This happened shortly after hand 5, my judgment was a little off.

Stacks: Hero $29.05, Villain $30.15

Preflop: Hero is LP with [8s] [9s] Villain is SB
Hero limps, Villain completes, BB checks

Flop: ($.75) [Ad] [8d] [8c]
Villain checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1, Villain calls $1

Turn: ($2.75) [Jc]
Villain checks, Hero bets $2.65, Villain calls.

River: ($8.05) [4s]
Villain checks, Hero bets $8, Villain calls.

Results: Final pot ($23) Villain shows [Qh] [8h] Three eights, better kicker

Remarks: The whole way down I was putting him on a flush draw so I think that clouded my judgment at the river, but I’m still not sure. There are plenty of hands I beat that can call a bet on the river, and this guy hasn’t shown me anything to make me think he’s got an 8 other than calling twice, but this is typical, every day, they call down with whatever crap they’ve got party NL25 so I don’t know, you tell me. Bet the river, or check behind?
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Postby MHFlush » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:37 am

Hand 1:

A clear fold in my opinion. He has else any 3, 56s in spades or 44. Folding is easy to say, difficult to do :wink: .

Hand 2:

Difficult. Your raise on the flop was okay but risky. On the turn I would be happy to get nearly a free card and would have also called.

Hand 3:

After so much action you should fold the original raise on the flop because of your vulnerable bottom two pairs. The raise was suicide, there are 3 people who say that they have something.

Hand 4:

Again a clear fold in my opinion. A King would give you a straight but someone with AQ would beat you. An 8 would give you the Straight but again someone with KQ would beat you. The flop is very dangerous for your hand and in teh moment you only have 2. pair with low kicker.

Hand 5:

I would have called the river, too. Many times you have the best hand and it is only one pot bet. I would have raised more on the turn, like 9$.

Hand 6:

I would have played the same until the river. There I would be happy to have a cheap showdown and check. There you lost 8$.



Overall I would say that you are too aggressive and cannot laydown a hand. On the other hand I think you are a winning player because I guess that much of your aggression is paid well.

Regards, MHFlush.
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Postby shobute » Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:43 am

Hand #1: You have to decide if you think your advertising the previous hand worked. If it did, it's extremely likely he's trying to be the sheriff. If not, then be afraid. He's loose so he could have a strong flush draw or straight draw. This is a high variance play and not worthwhile. If you don't like your table, find another. There's lots.

Hand #2: Your villain is a monkey. If he weren't you wouldn't make any more money when you rivered the flush. On the turn you can decide if your flush draw will be the nuts if it hits: if so, raise. If not, call him down for a reasonable amount if you hit.

Hand #3: Generally the cold call of the LP limper is a red flag. But at this level, maybe not so much. I don't reraise the flop. I want to control the size of the pot here so I can get away. As it was you're on edge of being able to call.

Hand #4: I don't like your flop reraise. The flop is highly coordinated and your hand is vulnerable at best. You shouldn't call Villain's push without a good read, and even then...

Hand #5: I think you can lead out on the turn. The CR screams flush. Villain should fold, unless he thinks he can take your money if the board pairs. If you fold your high flush when the board pairs and there's strong action, I think you will come out ahead.

Hand #6: I think he's on the flush draw too. I bet. But only 1/2 - 2/3 pot or so because I want him to call.
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Postby JJSCOTT2 » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:08 am

I'm surprised that both people so far have advocated folding the aces. The way this hand went down I don't think I could ever fold there....it's so unlikely for him to have a hand. The only reasonable holdings he could have are 33, 44 or K3 if he was trying to show me up from the hand before lol ( I realize that every time someone calls a raise it doesnt necessarily have to be reasonable ).

Given that, anyone who has one of those wants action, so far I've represented nothing, a raise means nothing, the flop bet could just be me trying to take down the pot, or I might have a real hand, at this point, who knows. Who in their right mind bets $45 into a $4 pot with more or less the nuts? This is party poker.
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Postby shobute » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:19 am

Sorry, I think I misrepresented myself in hand #1.
I mean that at that level it's a much better idea to find a new table than try to artificially generate actioin.

As for the hand, you can call.
I'd expect to see here: a medium pocket pair, a straight draw, a flush draw, a 4, or a bunch of hot air.

Once you advertised and you get a bite, I don't think you're going anywhere.

I guess the moral of the story is: be careful what you ask for. :wink:
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Postby JJSCOTT2 » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:51 am

Oh. I see your point. Yeah that's true. Basically, I just intended to take down as many pots as I could uncontested before people started catching on......which I suppose would have the effect of "generating action." But I see where you are coming from.
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