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Pokertracker numbers for comparison

Postby MHFlush » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:17 am

I have just started using Pokertracker because I had problems with the hand histories from Prima.
Anyway, I would like to compare them to yours and I want of course some comments. The numbers below are NL50, full-handed ringgames:

VPIP: 16.86

Aggression:
PF: 0.52
Flop: 6.5
Turn:4.00
River: 1.20

Total: 1.10

PF raise%: 6.37 (Button: 14.68%, CO:11.21%)

Went to SD%: 15.71
Won$ at SD%: 54.55

Folded SB to steal: 75%
Folded BB to steal: 57%


These numbers make me to a tight-passive-passive player :cry: (close) according to excessions articles. Tight-aggressive-aggressive would be VPIP <25%, PFR>7%, Total aggression: >1.2

Am I too passive preflop? Which numbers are good, which bad?

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:39 am

Your VPIP is nice and your PF raise isn't too bad. You're very borderline from being TPA to being TAA. I think with your flop, turn and river aggression numbers you're definitely aggressive post flop and your VPIP and PFR indicate tightness preflop, therefore, you look like a TAG to me. I'm not sure where the PF aggression number comes from or how it's figured out but I don't think it should be factored into your aggression for post-flop play. Your WtSD and W$ASD are fairly solid too. If you want to be more aggressive preflop you can start raising mid suited connectors (TJs, 9Ts) and maybe even lower a bit, just to mix it up. Other than that, your numbers are solid and you don't have much to worry about. What's your PTBB/100?
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Postby MHFlush » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:21 am

The sample size since I use PT is not that high therefore I did not mention it. This month it is 8 dollars/h 4-tabling NL50. This is something like 1.5PTBB/100 hands per table. By the way, my PF aggression became much lower since I started to limp AA-22, AK UTG. Before I raised AA-QQ, AK.

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Postby CocaCola » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:24 am

more flop aggression and you should be fine
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Postby MHFlush » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:50 am

Coca, I do not agree. I think I am very very aggressive at the flop. I think I could be more aggressive at PF (as mentioned) as well as on the River.
I just found this two stats from Iceman :

http://livepokerforum.com/forum/viewtop ... on+numbers

http://livepokerforum.com/forum/viewtop ... on+numbers

If I compare my numbers to Icemans, I am satisfied.

Even Kennys PFR % is only 3.96% and he is the most aggressive player I know.

http://livepokerforum.com/forum/viewtop ... highlight=

Some thoughts?

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:26 am

PFR has very little to do with aggression IMO. It in conjunction with your VPIP should say how loose/tight you are before the flop and your PFA should indicate how aggressive you play. I think a PFR of anywhere from 2 or 3 up to 8 or 9 is fine and exactly how much should be dependant on the table structure. On a maniac crazy table you will want to get in cheaply with most hands and hope to hit a flop. On a tight table however you can try and raise with marginal hands and take down a lot of pots with continuation bets.

One thing to note when comparing your numbers with Ice and Kenny is that they play much higher limits than you so their strategy and rationale behind it will be different to yours. At NL25, NL50 and NL100 even, straight ABC solid poker should be enough to crush the game. Higher than that, you'll need to become more aggressive.

Your numbers definitely show a lot of aggression and you're definitely not what I would class Tight/Passive - Passive. If your stats are working for you then leave them be, there aren't any major problems with it. If you think you're not getting quite the BB/100 you think you should be able to, i'd recommend being a little less aggressive purely because at NL50 you'll be getting called a lot with marginal hands like middle pair and such.
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Postby kennyg » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:39 am

Can't beleive you dug up that post! :)

I think you need to uncheck an option in PT about including your preflop raise into aggression numbers. Thats probably why my number is so much higher...I can't be that much more aggressive! Preflop raises, especially on prima, are unimportant in my view. What matters is the flop and turn.
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Postby AlexMR » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:12 am

BTW Flush, your win rate should be near 4ptbb/100 not 1.5.

Dont make any ideas before you reach 20K hands.

Overall your stats look solid to me. If you can deal your AA being cracked by 9-2off when you limp UTG, keep doing it. In my case I want to break something and that is why I am raising 99.9999% of times.

With 15% WtSD your W$SD should be 60%, but maybe is a sample size problem.
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Postby iceman5 » Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:39 am

In my most modest opinion, raising more than 4% is not needed. If you raising 7% , you are raising things like AJ. You will get into trouble unless you play very well post flop and can fold when you flop an ace.

You DO NOT need to be more aggressinve on the flop. You are at 6.5 right now which is very high. Your total agression looks low because you have the "include preflop" box checked. Un check it and your aggression will be considerably higher.

Im not sure why your win rate is that low, but it most likely has to do with post flop play.
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