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Postby BigPhish » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:44 am

Party NL$25

Phish $24
UTG $27, calling station
CO $29, TPA

Phish in BB with [Jc][Tc], UTG call, 3 folds, MP2 (fish) call, fold, CO call, Button fold, SB complete, Phish checks

Flop (1.25) [Kd][Qs][As] SB check, Phish bets 1.00, UTG calls, MP2 calls, CO raises to 5.00, SB folds, Phish...?

My thinking: I have to believe there are no sets since AA, KK, and QQ all raise preflop, so he didn't raise that with a set (or he's a moron). A flush draw might raise to 5.00, but I can't let him get at that draw while keeping the lead. I'm clearly way ahead or at worst tied with one of 'em. I figure with that bet, CO slowplayed a high PP, thus he's a moron and and will probably call a push or he's drawing at the flush and will either give up his chance to out-draw me or make a mistake by calling if I push.

I pushed.

UTG pushes, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Turn, River ($79.59) 3d 3c <-- white

What's your flop move in my position and what did they have?
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:50 am

I like your all in.

This is $25NL so they could have anything, but I'll say the cutoff has KQ and UTG has a flush draw.
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Postby BigPhish » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:25 pm

Thanks, Ice.

They both had AK offsuit, only one of them with a spade.
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Postby black_knight6 » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:04 am

I think that raising is definitely the play, but I'd consider the min raise to $9-10 so you can try to keep the other guy in...then push on the turn. Besides, if either of them has a set or two pair, then they're likely reraising all in over the top of you - this is better than you making them call all-in because you don't want them to fold...but you want them thinking they have some fold-equity with their move when they clearly don't.
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Postby T-Rod » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:52 am

I push here every time.

I think you'll get called by CO wtih a weaker hand AND you are charging a premium for the flush draw.

I don't like just raising 10 or 12 or near the min. You're still giving proper odds to draw to a flush.
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Postby BigPhish » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:13 am

If I raise his $5 to $10 or $15, I might be giving CO improper odds for a flush draw on the flop betting, but only if UTG doesn't call, and then I can't give anyone improper odds on the turn betting because our stacks would be so low.

1) Can't fold because I have the nuts right now.
2) Can't call because... I have the nuts right now and can't control opponent's odds next round due to short stacking myself.
3) Can't put in a small raise because opponents will get the right odds to draw.

Only option is to push.

It's all so clear days later. ;)
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