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called down w/ a flopped 10 high flush...

Postby MVPSPORTS » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:05 pm

Should I be slowing down here, or pushing hard the whole time, or what...?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)

Button ($39.15)
Hero ($59.45)
BB ($60.50)
UTG ($44.05)
UTG+1 ($150.10)
UTG+2 ($49)
MP1 ($45.50)
MP2 ($47)
MP3 ($37.40)
CO ($51.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Th], [9h]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $1, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1, 3 folds, Hero (poster) calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($4) [2h], [3h], [5h] (4 players)
Hero bets $4, BB folds, UTG folds, MP2 calls $4.

Turn: ($12) [4s] (2 players)
Hero bets $7, MP2 calls $7. SWEET TURN... I was PRAYING he had Ax and just hit his straight...

River: ($26) [Qd] (2 players)
Hero bets $15, MP2 calls $35 (All-In), Hero calls $20.

Final Pot: $96
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Postby LottaFagina » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:11 pm

Looks fine to me. If he flopped a higher flush with his [Kh][Qh] or whatever, then fine. But otherwise you gotta hope he hit his straight. Any read on the opponent prior? What happened?
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:20 pm

I only have like 20 hands with the guy, but I have him as a calling station, for whatever good that is...

I'll post results after I get a few more responses...
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Postby laynegt » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:24 pm

i would probably check the river...but he can call you w/ an A, so maybe i'm not sure. i was just thinking it might save you some money when he has a bigger flush/bluff equity. i think i'm like 2/3 check, 1/3 bet, b/c he might bet an A on the end.

edit: well if he's a calling station, then value bet it. duck when that raise comes, though!
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Postby LottaFagina » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:29 pm

I think you have to put him on [Ah] [Qh] if he's a lucky calling station who's making his move on the river.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:43 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:48 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:21 pm

I do hate miniraises, I read the HH wrong and figured it was $25 NL. (It's 7 in the morning here and I haven't slept yet, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it).

In the BB I'm definetely calling, but in the SB... nah.
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Postby rdale » Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:39 pm

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Postby digital scar » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:01 am

MVP, what's up dude?

I like boobs as much as the next guy but I really liked your ATHF avatars alot more then your current one but thats just me.

Anyhoo, on to the hand-

PF- I agree w/ Stoneburg about folding this hand. Your playing a hand that has excellent implied odds to hit but I hate playing these hands out of position, especially if I am new to the table. I like to chill out for a bit and see how everybody else is playing first. I'm assuming your new to the table, or he is because you said you only had 20 hands or so on the villian and you had him as a Call Station.

If you know this guy is a call station or atleast have him as one then wait and watch him play some other hands to make sure you read is correct and hopefully by that time he was won a few hands so his stack is up and ready for the taking with an implied odds hands exactly like the one you have here.

Actually as I re-read the hand I really like the call PF. It's and easy hand to fold if you miss the flop and you are playing it against somebody who possibly like to mini raise PF with Aces or Kings. So nevermind I do like the call PF as long as you know you can outplay your competition once the flop comes.

Flop- I like the pot sized bet to see where you're at and you are the initial aggressor which is also good. I think this helps make up for the fact that you are OOP. Once he calls my flop bet then I'm really thinking hmm... what could he have?

Turn- I would bet closer to the pot like around 10 to 12 dollars and If i get raised I would smooth call the raise to help keep the pot size down. Depending on the size of the raise of course. But this way it looks like your chasing and you do not have a made hand yet by just smooth calling.

River-I would check and call any reasonable bet, and by reasonable I do mean calling his AI on the river in a second. Or I might just move AI myself on the river if another heart does not hit. If this dude is a call station he will call you with any Straight or with any TPTK type of hand.

I think the villian has the [Ah] [Qs] , [Ah] [Ks] or something like that, he might even have [Ah] [Ac] they way he just kept calling your bets all the way down and then moved in on the river. The villian might think you have a busted flush draw or maybe a set. Its hard to say because I play my reads alot and I would certainly like to see this guy play a few more hands to be totally sure.

I don't know maybe I'm way off base witht this hand but thats pretty much the way I would think if I was in the hand, barring I don't have more reads on anybody. :)

He could always have the straight flush or a higher flush and if so then I would not feel bad about it at all. Screw it, your just gonna loose this hand against a call station, granted you might be able to loose less but...
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:18 am

DS... I like my ATHF avatar too, but this one gets me more responses (and I'm SURE it's not just because my posts are better... :D )... So, as I suspected, I guess big shakin titties are +EV...

Even though I'm OOP, I can't see folding to a minraise here... It's not like if I flop top pair I'm going to the mattresses... But, If I flop a straight, 2pr or flush (which happened), I think I have a decent chance of leading into him and taking this jackasses stack...

I had been at the table for a while... I had reads on most everyone but him, as HE was the one that moved there recently...

On the turn, I agree that I probably should've raised a little more, but was BEGGING for a raise that didn't happen...

BTW... nice fuckin call DS, as he had [Ah] [4h] for a fucking flopped straight flush... :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Postby digital scar » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:45 am

MVP, your just gonna loose that hand but I think you even said yourself that you could have lost a little less in this hand.

On the turn if you felt he was begging for a raise that didn't happen then what I would have done is make an even smaller blocking bet of around 4-5 bucks and take if from there, or just check and see what he does. He would probably check with the mortal nuts and then you could also make this same blocking bet on the river of 5 bucks and he might re raise you big and anytime you got a calling station raising you on the river its a pretty safe bet that you are beat.

I'm just trying to figure out how you could of made this hand cheaper to get to the showdown.

So he did have the absolute nuts, so what. Move on, your just gonna loose that hand but the goal should be to get to the showdown as cheaply as possibe with this particular hand and this type of action. Thats just and interesting hand to discuss. I like it. I think your play of the hand could have been tweaked a bit to save a little cash but overall no major porblems that I see. I
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