Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed)

BB ($99)
UTG ($98.10)
Hero ($110.35)
MP1 ($98.90)
MP2 ($100.70)
CO ($420.10)
Button ($40.55)
SB ($102.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with , . SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, MP2 calls $4, 1 fold, Button calls $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($16.50) , , (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, MP2 raises to $24, Button folds, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $52.50

Results in white below:
No showdown. MP2 wins $52.50.

Tight table, at least preflop. I keep getting played back like this. Is this just too weak or just a bad run? This has been happening to me a lot recently. maybe all my opponents are reading my posts here. Is this just a standard fold against any respectable opponent? What if I had position?

Most people will think its weak tight. I like it.

Any read on MP2? How often is he betting/raising a flop? He has a min raised with a monster, but does he consider AJ a monster here?

Out of position I probably fold. If you call, now what do you do on the turn? yuck

he's your normal tight (15%) medium aggressive post flop. (1.8) player. He has a low preflop raise % too if that matters. This table was so tight preflop and didn't get much read on them postflop. I tried to raise more there but either won the blinds, an occasional small pot on flop or raised like this (often). I probably should have just got another table.

What if you were in position and you 1) got check raised the minimum or 2) lead into 1/2 pot and he calls your raise? Am I to assume you fold to 1) and check the turn and only call a reasonable bet on the river with no improvement?

Brian,

I think your fold is OK, sometimes . I find myself very often in a huge pot with my overpairs. That is simply not good. I think that is a EV+ move ($50 tables and lower) but it sure adds much variance. Is it weak tight? Probably. When I have reads about an aggressive player who PFR is above 7%, it s very likely that I am checkraising him with absolutely no improvements at the flop. Maybe is my tight image but I DO TAKE LOTS OF POT S THAT WAY.

Why that 8bb raise?? Seems kind of high ....



I keep getting played back like this.

I think that could be the answer. If you keep folding with overpairs to ALL reraisers then I think we just found a leak. RERAISE BACK.

Maybe you are have been stealing the blinds too often and they feel like catchig you. The reraise is absolutely necessary to get information, to know if you are beat. Dont be cheap and find out....

AlexMR.

this was 100nl so the raise was 4xbb

When he folds to a raise, they dont know hes folding an overpair, so folding is not going to cause him to get pushed around. If you call that min raise youre going to get stacked a large portion of the time.

At higher stakes, some guys will min raise with a flush draw but even they dont normally do it in a raised pot.

I think its a good fold - the only way I would rereaise is if I've seen him raise on a draw before. I might be more aggro w/ Aces b/c its slightly possible he just flat called you w/ KK or AA in position as well.

i like a fold or a raise. the problem is your out of position for the rest of the hand.

if you reraise..it's got to be to $50 or $60..if he calls you have to give it up.

Ther'es a lot of varience in that play so i like the fold better. save the reraise for more aggressive opponents.

What does it mean to be weak tight anyway? Isn't it just a player who knows when he is beat?

"Weak tight" is a concept loose players invented as an excuse not to fold, when they know they are beat.

I played poker yesterday. A tight player raised in early position. I was dealt AK in the big blind. My first thought was that I couldn't fold this. That's just super weak tight and everybody would laugh at me, if they knew what I was folding. Then I realized that no one would ever know that I folded AK. And I should not be afraid of being labeled weak tight just because I folded AK preflop to a single raise, when I thought that was the best thing to do.

There are probably some players out there that see monsters under the bed and all that. But to me a player who is being labeled as weak tight is more often a good hand reader than a player who folds the best hand too often

Kalle,
Very well stated. I couldn't have said it any better.

i consider myself a pretty good hand reader but hands like this keep happening so it makes me wonder if I'm just too afraid to push without a super strong hand.