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Is this a suckout king type of play or not?

Postby SebQtaneus » Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:26 pm

Maybe. Not so sure. But at least I was finally on the good end of one of these hands.

Party Poker
$25 NL Texas Hold'em

Button ( $22.05 )
Seat 2: new to table, not able to play yet.
SB ( $11.34 )
BB ( $44.16 )
UTG Villain ( $24.75 )
UTG+1 ( $25 )
UTG+2 ( $24.75 )
MP1 ( $19.14 )
MP2 ( $21.90 )
CO Hero ( $36.80 ) [Ah] [As]

Blinds post
UTG raises to $0.75 Villain
UTG+1 folds
UTG+2 folds
MP1 folds
MP2 folds
CO reraises to $3 Hero
Button folds
SB folds
BB folds
Villain calls $3

Pot: $6.35

Flop: [Jd] [Ks] [Th]

Villain bets $2
Hero raises to $4 (would have gone full pot but didn't want to scare him off if he didn't hit a set)
Villain calls $2

Pot: $14.35

Turn: [Ad] Hero shits his pants :shock:, thinks to self " For some reason I always thought I'd be happier to hit a set with pocket Aces" :roll:

Villain bets $10
Hero calls $10 thinks "screw it, I've 10 outs right?" "Of course those 10 outs never usually show up for me usually."

Pot: $34.35

River (or as I now call it, "Saving Grace"): [Tc] 8-) "That's MR. "King of Poker" to you punk!"

Villain goes all in for $7.75
Hero call all in $7.75

Final Pot: $47.40

I won't bother with putting his hand in white since you've already guessed what he had.

Villain shows [Qs] [Js]

So, did I suckout on this guy or was the fact that I had 10 outs to win when I called his turn bet (knowing he had hit his hand) keep this from being a suckout and just makes it a good play? I'm not looking for a mathmatical answer necessarily (although I will take those too) as I like to play by feel somewhat as well. Do you guys usually go with gut feeling with these hands or strictly with the odds?
Should I have played it the same way if I was higher limit tables? I need to learn this stuff before I make that jump in the future.
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Postby rdale » Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:36 pm

I worked with a guy that was a "visual" learner, getting him to read the manual was impossible, even though it was fairly visual. Taking the time understand the math will increase your level of "feel" in an online game. Most of poker is recogonizing pattern and opponent tendency, math settles the rest.

I call $10 into $24 with a set of aces and a possible extra three outs for the split against a deeper stack. I raise when he only has $7.50 trailing that bet. I'm not folding to any card on the river and neither is my opponent for the amount of money on the table.

I rarely make any sort of minimum raise on the flop, and outside of that I don't really see a problem with your play. I think making it $8 is better, and gives you better odds if you wind up behind on the turn.
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Postby SebQtaneus » Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:57 pm

Geez I have a lot to learn!
It never even crossed my mind at any point that I also had the 3 possible extra outs to split the pot! :oops:
As for my minraise on the flop, was my reason for doing so not wise? I mean, with a minraise he would most likely reraise me if he had hit the set thereby making my fold decision for me right? Or is this just timid play reasoning on my part?
And if I am behind on the turn, do I really want more reason (better odds) to stay in the hand? Or did you mean something else by that?
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Postby Rhound50 » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:14 am

Me personally I probably dont raise that flop at all. This is the kind of flop that AA is going to be in big trouble a lot of the time. Think of it this way what hands other than a pair and a str8 draw would he be betting that didnt have you beat. He could have AK or AQ, in which case he has 2 outs to beat you. There are far more hands that you are being beated by. KJ, K10, J10, JJ, 1010, Q9 AQ. This is one of the flops I am considering strongly folding my AA. AA is just on pair and on that board it seems unlikely that one pair is going to win. I probaly call the flop bet and see what his action looks like on the turn and procede from there. A good poker player should be able to fold AA, it is one of the big differences between winning and losing players.
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Postby T-Rod » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:39 pm

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