If I have in MP. Only me and button see the flop. Flop comes . I bet 3/4 pot, OTB raises pot.

The pot sized bet does not give me good enough pot odds to chase this. But since I have so many outs, is the right play to push?

I'm just not used to risking my entire stack on a draw. I make alot of money off bad players pushing small stacks on a draw and I feel like I'm doing the same thing if I try this.

Your 34% against a set, 44% against 2 pair, 45% against AK, and 80% against QJ. There are better better hands to push.

I'm learning this stuff myself. Here are a few links to help you out:

(The first 2 are from Ice's best friend at 2+2 lol)

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showt ... ID=&fpart=


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showt ... ID=&fpart=

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec ... ad359475fc

Sorry about the confusion on the hand, it was hypothetical. Was just trying to give an example everyone could answer to.

Thanks furrkef that makes a little more sense.

Is there a book out that explains this? I'll start reading the 2+2 posts and see if I get anywhere.

Here are the very basics. Fold equity is how often you think he will fold to a large bet or raise. If you add what you win in the pot all the times he folds...to what you plan to win whatever percentage of times that you win when he calls as opposed to what you lose when he calls and you lose...and you get the total EV of the play.

For example:

A very easy one.

$1/$2 blinds and both of you have $200

Villian raises to $8. You decide to flat call with [Kh]

Pot is $16 and the flop comes [4h][2d].

Villian bets $16. You decide to push all in. Im not saying I would do that. This is just an example.

He has a very tough decision. Lets say he has JJ. Lets say he folds 60% of the time.

60% of the time you win the pot right there.
The 40% of the time that he calls, you are the favorite with your 15 outs even though you have nothing right now.

So you win the med pot 60% of the time and of the other 40% of the time that he calls, you bust him more than half of those times.

You can do the math to determine what % of the time you need him to fold to make a play liek this +EV. In this case, if he has a pair lower than kings, its +EV even if he calls every time. But if he had KK, it would still be +EV if he only folded a small percentage of the time because you have 12 outs when he calls.

iceman5, you forgot to list the cards he holds in that example. [6h], right?

For a minute I was confused about the whole bit at the end with KK, then I realized you were talking about the original hand, not your example hand. (EDIT: guess not. Now that iceman5 says it was [Kh], then it makes sense.)

- Kef

Damn. Kind of makes it hard to follow if you dont know what the cards are doesnt it? I edited it in.

Ok, that little light bulb just went off. Thank you Ice.

I swear I'm usually brighter than this..lol.

Well to use an extreme example. If he bets $50 into a $50 pot and you want to push all in to use fold equity to your advantage even though you dont think your ahead....but he only has $10 left...you have a problem.

You also dont want to push when the stacks are monstrous. Example:

My big $4000 pot hand

I had [Qc]. Pot was $50. Flop was [Td][8c]. I have str8 and flush draw
EP bets $10, MP raises to $60. MP and I both have over $2000 left so I didnt want to make a huge raise because our stack were too big for it.

I flat called and hit the straight at the turn. Then the fireworks started.