$5/$10 NL at Full Tilt

Villian in this hand is playing very LAGgy. Hes pushing the table around. He was winning but got stacked with TT vs JJ on a 983 flop. The LAG had raised preflop, bet the flop...bet the turn and when he got raised...he pushed. After the hand he told the other guy that TT was the only hand he could beat with JJ and that he shouldve folded. Hes probably right. The JJ guy said "well good thing you had TT then huh?".

OK on to the hand.

LAG open raises to $40. Button calls and I call in the BB with JJ. Button has short stack. LAG and I have about $1000 each.

Pot is $125. Flop comes T43. I lead for $120. LAG pushes. Button folds. Do you call that?

Well, the only hand you can beat is 99. Or AK. So I'm guessing that's what LAG has. He's shown he's willing to push hard with hands that won't beat much.

But I fold anyway. Next time you'll have TT when you lead into him and can safely take it all.

Well, did this "pushing the table around" involve going all in on marginal hands or pure bluffs? If so,I might consider calling. Otherwise, I won't. LAG players get some good cards now and then too..

Ice,

You didnt mention this LAG PF habits. I might call out of madness (dont know why the LAG-maniac-ish dot hat to me), but I think it s better to wait for a better spot. What are you beating? AK-AQ, 99 (AT ?) .... that s it.

I think it s a fold.

AlexMR.

Hang on...in the TT vs JJ hand...LAG called $40 preflop...then led into that 983 flop..JJ called.....TT bet turn..got raised by JJ and then LAG pushed.

I fold and make the mental note that this is how he responds to people betting into him on the flop after he has raised. Next time with your set or AA, you stack him.

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i fold it because if he keeps doing stuff like this, you will catch him.

OK, you guys answered my question. The actual question was "how much fold equity do you think that play has?"

Obviously the fold equity must be pretty high because everyone said to fold. Well, I was the LAG. I raised with 65s and pushed when he led into me. He called though because like most players even at $5/$10, they dont know where there fold button is. However, I caught a 7 and busted him.

Once again , I could ask: " What hands do you actually beat here? AK?"

He reloaded to $400 and I busted him again a few hands later.

I did overplay my TT in the earlier hand, but I played it exactly like a set and thought he would fold, but obviously not. I did help my image at FTP quite a bit though.

if that isn't the definition of weak tight, i don't know what is.

I guess you need to do stuff like this every once in a while but you've learned that fold equity is an unknown term to these guys. This is a high variance play against these calling stations.

nice post ice.

ice, I in principle like both of these plays, but I think you get in excessively deep.

On the TT hand: Ok, you raise and the board is actually great for a raised TT. Then you bet and get a flat call. I don't know how your games are playing, but at my tables this means a draw most of the time (sometimes it means you're already beat). Ok, whatever the turn is (sounds like a blank?), I'll still bet it at half-pot plus. But when he comes over the top, I just fold it. I really think JJ played that hand very poorly, both with calling your push and with not raising on the flop, but whatever. I would actually expect more of a hand than JJ there.

Anyhow, it's not completely clear to me (maybe I'm missing something) what the TT really sets up. I'll just emphasize this one: Good laydowns also set up future plays!

What I don't see on the 65s hand is why the push on TT favorably influences the result. On a semi-bluff, you DO want a fold. And you're more likely to get it if you lay down the TT, aren't you?

Also, I waver a little on push vs. raise with the suited connector. The push seems at first glance really over the top, but it's just about borderline. If you raise to $500, you certainly can't lay down. Yes, in a raised pot, I think the push is better, despite the fact that you have position. I just don't think there's enough stack depth to have any desire to get away from this hand, so you might as well take it down or else get both of your free cards.

On the TT hand, I called HIS raise and then led into him on the flop. I mis-stated it in the orignal post.

in the 2nd hand, without doing the math, I estimate that I need him to fold about 55-60% of the time for it to be +EV. I think the fold equity has to be around 75-80%.

The first hand sets up the 2nd to the extent that it doesnt make the all in look that crazy. Hes seen me move some chips and because of the erratic play, I doubt he can put me on a hand which I think makes him want to fold and wait for a better spot when hes more sure. It sure had that effect on all BTPers who responded.