I'm finding more and more are playing back on the $25NL tables. Get AA and raise $3 get 4 callers..... regardless of the flop it's raise re raise before it gets to me..... do you push all in or figure one of them hit the set and fold. I've been folding and the one pot I stayed in hit 3 to a flush and 4 to a straight with my un improved AA. Or is the answer all in right off the top. This has been driving me crazy.

Thanks

I quit playing at party NL25 tables because they are too loose for me. My AA do not hold up very well there after 10,000 NL hands. The have won 85% but a few big bad beats has offset the winnings.

Unless the board looks real scary I think you can push with your AA.

I have had AA cracked two times by 66 calling and flopping a set.

Good luck - now I play at full tilt $100 NL tables.

Alex: What happened is I pushed with my AA after the flop and turn.....by the river card it was now 4 to a straight and 3 to a flush, maybe i should have pushed harder after the flop. I folded at the river.

I have a 76% win for my AA after 10K hands but as Mike said the winnings aren't there because you seem to win the blinds or lose a pot. I was just looking for someone else's perspective thanx guys.

The one and only Doyle Brunson has the best advice on this:

"With AA, you either win a little or lose a lot."

I think he's right. It's not easy to remember that your odds of winning decrease as the number of players increases and the streets go by. If you're not all in after the flop, your odds of winning go way down. AA is not invincible, which seems totally unfair.

KK running into AA also seems totally unfair, but how often does that happen?

CJ

I've recently addressed my AA efforts on Party's NL$25. Mostly because I've lost too much on them in the recent past. I've come up with a two-pronged attack that seems to work so far. The key is being ready to lay it down.

Prong 1 - All-In!
If I have no reads on the table because I'm new to it or more than 2 people are new to it, I just push in pre-flop. I figure I'm either taking the blinds or getting 1 or at most 2 callers, which still makes me the favorite. But if I don't have enough information on my opponents, it's all I can do.

I did this twice last night. I took the blinds and limped bets the first time and took a stack from QQ behind me the second.

Prong 2 - Good Reads, Smart Play
If I have reads on my foes, I usually raise a reasonable amount - 4 or 8 BB. The amount depends on a lot of factors including how many are in the pot already, whether or not the pot has been raised, how many to act behind me, and of those left to act after my raise, what their VP$IP and post-flop aggression are. Here, I want 1 or 2 callers, no more. If I get re-raised pre-flop, I'm pushing in.

Post-flop play depends on what the board brings and my reads on my opponents. It's really something that takes a while to learn. But generally if someone who's tight/passive bets out on just about any board (barring me flopping a set or better), I'm apt to fold. If someone who's very aggressive post-flop bets out, I'm likely to push in unless there's 3 to a flush on the board and neither of my rockets matches the suit.

If it checks around to me, I'm betting the pot and reacting to what happens from there. The key is to remember to be wary of playing for your whole stack with nothing but an overpair.

I did this once last night. I wound up heads-up against a LAG, I had position on him. With $5 in the pot on the flop, he bet $3 into me. I called. The turn brought a rag. He bets $5 at an $11 pot. He had around $15 in his stack after the bet and I had him covered and pushed in. He thought a while and finally folded.

Here are my poker tracker results for AA Alex.

Times 59
win% 76.27
pfr 98.1%
W$wsf 76.27
VPIP 100%
wtsd 49.1%
W$sd 65.52

And in that I got AA back to back and lost both.

that s in 16,525 hands

I guess after complaining about the party fishes sucking out it's nice to be paid off. What was even funnier was mr. utg+1 made a rude comment of how the hell could I have ever played 4 9 off. UMMMMMMM i was the BB in an unraised pot?


***** Hand History for Game 2585699719 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 23, 19:36:20 EDT 2005
Table Table 37031 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Sebversive posts small blind [$0.10].
acidjoe posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to acidjoe [ 4h 9c ]
Uncle_Ho folds.
cadillac116 calls [$0.25].
falady folds.
People_Mover folds.
rob3rt111 calls [$0.25].
penkster folds.
skshady calls [$0.25].
Sebversive calls [$0.15].
acidjoe checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 7h, 4c ]
Sebversive checks.
acidjoe bets [$0.50].
cadillac116 raises [$2].
rob3rt111 folds.
skshady folds.
Sebversive folds.
acidjoe raises [$5.50].
cadillac116 calls [$4].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
acidjoe bets [$15].
cadillac116 calls [$15].
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
acidjoe bets [$3].
cadillac116 is all-In.
acidjoe shows [ 4h, 9c ] a full house, Fours full of nines.
cadillac116 doesn't show [ 3c, 4s ] three of a kind, fours.
acidjoe wins $0.50 from side pot #1 with a full house, Fours full of nines.
acidjoe wins $45.85 from the main pot with a full house, Fours full of nines.

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