I need help with this hand. Iceman was nice enough to post a hand in which he made a mistake and was drawing dead. He ask for a rating on the level of the mistake.

I am not worthy of that much feed back to ask for a poll.

Here is the hand and I could sure use some feedback. THANKS

Live $200 NLHE with 3,2,2 blinds. I have been moved to the main game. I grow my stack from $185 to $600 in a few good hands. Lost a little back. THEN

Me - $500
CO -$1500
BTN - $1200

As always seems to happen, I decide to go home since it is 1:00 AM.

I am in MP with and call a raise for $8 since 3 players already called. 2 more call after me and see the flop with $44 in the pot.

Flop is - damn I flopped bottom set but I do not like it very much.

all check to me. 2 players left to act. I tried to take the pot with a big bet -

I bet $80. CO, called $80, BTN called $80.

That did not work. Now the pot has close to $300 in it. Damn again.

Turn is - no full house.



If I check either the CO or the BTN will try to take me off my hand. If I have the best hand that is bad. If I am beat then that is good.

Any size bet other than the pot size will not get them to fold. If they do not have the nuts then they might fold it. The CO is a thinking man and will fold. The BTN has shown some good but not great hands. The BTN most likely has a draw.

I decide to push my entire stack. [color=brown]I bet $410 all-in.

The CO thinks for almost 5 minutes - the dealer called time. The player between us should not have said anything. He talked about the hand and gave the impression that I did not have a flush. He said set of Kings might win and I was quite. I don't know if that affected the CO's decsions or not.

CO called, BTN folded.

CO showed .

The river was . No full house. Oh, well. Nice try, I guess.

I went home.

Comments? Should I have checked the Turn? Bet less and then fold to a raise? That way I could save some chips.

The CO came very close to folding since he had only a high flush and I could have had him beat. His only comment was that it was a very hard call for him to make.

I have been showing good hands and this player and I have played a few times before. I could have had a set or a bigger flush. Problem is with a bigger flush I migh have bet less on the Flop. But, I might have had a hand like . The CO could still lose $410.

Mike that sounds like a game at the California Grand if I'm not mistaken. These are really tough hands to play. Personally I would have checked the turn, on the flop what else calls you?? A flush or a big one card flush draw. With 2 players calling a big bet behind you and both of them being good players, it seems unlikely that you would get called by someone with top pair or something like that. I check the turn and try to get a read on my oppoanant when he bets. There is a pretty good chance that I am folding to a big bet. And on top of that I would have a little talk with the dumbass that was talking during the hand.

I like your flop bet, although I would've bet less closer to $50-60... I'm probably checking the turn after 2 callers ... I think that someone w/ most non-flush hands (trips, 2pr) are raising your bet... I was thinking the button was more likely to have the flush than the CO, as he called a bet and a call...

I MIGHT throw out a smaller bet on the turn and pray to God they were BOTH on a draw... But, I'm definitely folding to a raise...

Mike, I moved to San Diego about a year ago but I built my bankroll at that game at the Grand. I hate the blind structure, I hate the fact that they take a drop without a flop, but the game has such good action I just dont care. It wasnt quite as wild as it used to be, but there are still plenty of bad players to donate their money. When the game opened it was the loosest most agressive game I have ever played it. The first hand I sat down in their about a 2 years ago when the first opened up the NL game. I sit down and th first hand 4 players are all in preflop with A9, J10, 44 and K9, it was jsut insane.

I agree. The blind structure is not very good. It should be more to go. The game is sometimes wild and loose. You can make some bucks there. Better than the $100 buyin. No as much all-in with junk as before but all-in on the flop with TP only.

Flop--Your overbet of the pot screams weakness to me. It's a bet that doesn't want to be called. Also, you're setting yourself up to have only the winning hand call and any hand you might extract value from to fold. I'm either betting the pot or I'd prefer checking.

Turn--Pretty gutsy but Iike it considering the way you played the flop. You get a set to fold or a to fold Sorry it didn't work out.

TR