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Another Laydown

Postby majakovskij » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:12 am

I was four-tabling, and on this particular table i had seen 10% of the flops over 100 hands, so with my tight image, I didn't want to drive everybody out by betting 4-5 times the BB from UTG. Anyways...

Am I too weak or is this a "good" laydown? I figured this was a clear raise or fold situation. If I'm behind to a flush, I'm drawing 96% dead. Plus, if I called, I figured he would come out swinging on the river. So a call was out of the question. The only thing that might have driven him out of the pot would've been a push. Do you agree?



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, 50$ (9 handed)

SB ($65.52)
BB ($55.14)
Hero ($30)
UTG+1 ($40.31)
MP1 ($22.88)
MP2 ($51.20)
MP3 ($29)
CO ($69.97)
Button ($35.54)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with [As], [Ah]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
Hero raises to $1, 5 folds, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3.25) [8d], [Qd], [Tc] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, Button calls $2, BB folds.

Turn: ($7.25) [5d] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button raises to $6, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $16.25
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Postby Twelver » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:29 am

1. Raise more preflop. Min raises are not going to chase anyone out of the pot, and you don't want to see a flop with more than 1 or 2 other players with AA

2.You have got to bet more on the flop. If he is drawing to the flush, you are given him odds to do so with that bet.

3. On the Turn again, I would bet more than what you did. You are betting less than half the pot. The bet smells of weakness and chances are the Button picked up on that. Having said that, the min raise does scream of a made hand, but I don't know if I could have laid it down, only because your actions earlier in the hand didn't help to define his hand any.

He could literally be holding just about anything...a lot of which beat you.

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Postby majakovskij » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:57 am

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Postby briachek » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:58 am

first off, don't min raise preflop. If you are gonna raise, make it a standard raise and if everyone folds, oh well. If the table is aggressive, try limping UTG in order to reraise preflop. It will either isolate you for a much bigger pot that you will be favored with or win you a nicer pot uncontested. The size of your reraise depends on the orginal raise and how many limpers.

Since you only min raised, people are more apt to call you with any type of hand so that flop could have really hit the button. I bet closer to the pot ($3 in this case, more if you raise $2 or go for a limp raise) and go from there. Your turn bet is just asking to be raised. Make a stronger bet or don't bet at all. Since you don't have the Ad, folding is not unreasonable at all in my mind.
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Postby k3nt » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:40 am

Your assumption is that people playing $50NL at Party are noticing that you're playing tight. That seems unlikely to me but I haven't played Party enough to know for sure. Do our Party experts agree or disagree?
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Postby briachek » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:03 am

For the most part, I don't think the average player pays enough attention to others to just realize that you are raising from UTG, you must have AA or something. They see KJ or some crap in their hand that they want to play and play it anyway. The ones that might notice are the other tight players which you can tell who it is by using PT.
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Postby kennyg » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:15 am

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