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Making a move on someone

Postby iceman5 » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:05 pm

Here are 2 hands where I made a move on someone. The first one more so than the second. Tell me what you think.

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#1) 1 limper and then MP raises to $16. I call with AK. We're heads up. Approx $400 stacks.

Pot is $42. The flop comes T52 with 2 spades. He bets $24 and I raise to $64. He calls.
Pot is $170. The turn is another ten. He checks and I bet $120. Even a very good player should fold an overpair at this point.

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#2) I limp [5h][5s], MP raises to $16. The button, BB and I all call.
Pot is $66. The flop comes [4h][3h][2h]. Checked to the raiser and he bets $24. Folded back to me.

We both have full $400 stacks or so. I check raise all in.

Im starting to feel like Spirit Rock (Mahatma). Im not implying Im anywhere near as good as him, but he does push like crazy with the nuts AND with hands like this with big possibilites. What do you think?

This one is similar to the 89s hand from yesterday. I could make a big raise (but less than all in), but being out of position, if he calls and the turn is a brick, I have problems.
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Postby droqqa » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:39 pm

Ice -

I'm not really a fan of either play, but I do like the first more than the second - but only because the Ten came on the turn. You were very fortunate to hit a scare card there. If the ten doesn't come, I dont think the bluff has much success.

On the flop, I wouldn't have been surprised to see him move all-in. If you had 55 there - you would be expecting to stack AA there, right? I don't think you can have it both ways - expecting players to fold to your flop raises when you are behind and call when you are ahead. Also, with position, wouldn't you wait until the turn to pop him with your set?

On the 2nd hand - this is just gambling. If MP is not tricky, and figures to have an overpair in this spot, you are just betting that he does not have a heart - basically a 50/50 shot. If he has the [Ah] or [Kh], I bet he calls. Also, this is just a huge overbet of the pot - do you routinely do this with your nut hands? I personally dont - so this semi-bluff would never work for me. Even still, I just don't like it. I wouldn't blame you for raising the flop, but all-in?

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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:34 pm

The first hand, by the size of his flop bet, I didint think he had anything (AK/AQ maybe). I raised to take it away from him. When he called, I was going to give up until what looked like the perfect card hit. Now, even if he DOES have a big pair h cant call.

Second hand...Im not sure how to play this one since Im out of position. If I flat call, I dont know if I want a heart or not, a 5 will kill any action, so a straight is the only thing that looks very good and even then, Im not goin got get paid off because he'll be scared of the flush.

if I check raise a normal amount , what do you do if the turn misses everything? Or its another heart? The guy bet $24 into a $66 pot. What do you think he has? It looks to me like hes trying to price himself in for a flush draw or has AK with no heart.
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Postby poker2006 » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:45 pm

On the first one I like the play very much. Your raise shows you have top pair and want to see if he missed, then the scare card comes perfectly. Were you expecting him to fold there on the flop? Do you have success stealing pots on the flop when you think villain missed, or you have to fire other bullets?

I don't like the second play. That flop looks somewhat good for you, but in fact it's pretty bad. If he has an overpair with a high heart he is calling you, and you're drawing to 8 outs (6s and As). If he has AA with Ah, you are drawing to 7 outs. The reason I don't like it that much is that with an all in, you will be called only if you are behind and drawing thin, otherwise you're not gaining much. Looks fishy.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:58 pm

If he has [Kh][Ks], Im drawing to 10 outs

All 4 aces, all 4 6's and 2 5's
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Postby kennyg » Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:39 pm

1. The turn was an awesome scare card. It's the perfect time to bet. Now you just hope the player is disciplined enough to fold a good hand. :)

2. You're risking $400 to win $90.... I would like it a lot better if you had something like [Ah][6c]. Your 5 high flush draw will be hurting if this guy has [Kh]K or [Ah]A. I just don't like your hand that much. I would like the move if you had [Ah]6 because then you are drawing to 12 outs...possibily 15 if your ace is good And..you're drawing with the nuts :).
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Postby kennyg » Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:43 pm

One more thing...

If you held [5h][6h] and the flop was 2[4h][7h]........then I would love the play. The difference is the fact that the board only has two hearts..instead of 3. [Ah]A would have a much tougher time calling this bet then on the previous board.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:56 pm

Hand #1) The guy folded to my turn bet

Hand #2) The guy also folded to my all in. I really dont know how much I like my play. You guys have said you dont like it, which is fine, but nobody has said what they wouldve done instead.
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