PF call is a little loose, but the SB was a big donk running at 40/16 and the limper was at 65/20. The PF rasier is a typical aggressive TAG (20/16)

So the donk leads out for half pot. (His total AF is 4.8). What to do here?

If I just call, my hand looks exactly like a flush draw, and the PF raiser may raise. But then, I could find out if the SB really has a hand depending on what he does.

If I raise and someone comes over the top, then what?


Seat 1: OMGitsPokerFool ($200)
Seat 2: ontiltdk1 ($222.10), is sitting out
Seat 3: PeachyMer ($215.05)
Seat 4: massimocav ($224)
Seat 5: Topcat1680 ($240.40)
Seat 6: fullwiz ($489.25)
fullwiz posts the small blind of $1
OMGitsPokerFool posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to OMGitsPokerFool
PeachyMer has 15 seconds left to act
PeachyMer folds
massimocav calls $2
Topcat1680 raises to $9
fullwiz calls $8
OMGitsPokerFool calls $7
massimocav calls $7
*** FLOP ***
fullwiz has 15 seconds left to act
fullwiz bets $16
OMGitsPokerFool ??????

If you raise and someone comes over the top you are pot committed and call.

If you call and there is a raise behind you shove.

I think because you don't have the NFD and there don't have top kicker I would raise as there are some hands that you might want to fold behind you. (KJ, QQ, etc). I'm not saying they would always fold but they might.

If anyone likes a call I'd be interested in hearing their thought process.

The only problem I see with getting it all in on the flop here is that most of the time you are behind to a better flush draw, a better kicker, an overpair or a set. I mean, who really stacks off with JT here?

I think this could be a profitable play with lots of dead money in the pot but other than that I'm not 100% sure... thoughts?

I think this is where tools like Pokerazor would help but I have no idea how to use it yet.

Well the first thing to note is that you can never be far behind ONE other player. Either you have the best hand, or you have a good draw. The disaster would be if one of them called with KJ and the other with [7h], then you're screwed both ways.

With a preflop raise and 4 callers there's a decent amount of money in teh pot already, especially with the SB donk bet so taking the pot down now is the best result you can realistically hope for, equity wise.

The SB's donk bet probably indicates a hand like KJ-JT, sometimes a lower pp, sometimes a flush draw. You're doing great against his range, but you would hate for the PFR to stick around with an overpair or tp with a better kicker, so you want maximum pressure on them. A pot-committing raise or a push seems like the best option here. I'd go for the push.

Ya, I decided to go with the big raise and potted it up to $86. He pushed and I called off my last $105.

He had 66 and I missed my draw.

How about a smaller raise, to say $48 or $50 (3x his raiese). That's just plain dumb, right? If he did have a draw (like with Axh), then I am giving him odds to draw now (7+3 outs).

I guess his range is a little bit too big for me to do anything than what I did, right?