Shove the turn?

by **iceman5** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:24 am

$1/$2 NL 6 max...

I raise to $7 with [Tc]

[8c] in the cutoff. Button calls. He has $78 . Hes your typical bad player. Makes mistakes all over the place.

Pot $17. Flop [Qc]

[Jc][3d]. I bet $13 and he calls.
Pot $43. Turn [5d]

. He has like $58 left. I shove all in. Good , bad, ugly?

by **Triple B** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:25 am

It can never be that bad of a play, even if he calls every time. As long as you think he can fold sometimes it's fine. In my experience he probably will fold enough to make this OK.

by **black_knight6** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:54 am

by **Tyrannic** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:55 pm

Yeah shove, and whether you hit or not, call his mother a whore and squeeze a couple more hundo out of him.

by **ua1176** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:56 pm

by **bdon22** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:39 pm

Seems fine to me unless he's the type of player who will still call your huge bets with 2nd pair or any draw (like some players on Cake for example). In this case, a lot of your EV which came from FE has gone down the drain and I think it becomes an easy check/call and value town the river if you hit.

It would be a lot better in general if you had 1 overcard here that way you could have pair outs too.

by **corporatex** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:01 am

by **bdon22** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:29 am

by **iceman5** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:11 pm

I shoved. He called with [Ac]

[Kc] which I think is a bad call, but is expected from a shorty. He shouldve reraised preflop or raised the flop.

I rivered an 8 and beat him.

by **Triple B** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:21 pm

OK, I guess my "never can be that bad" comment was off. Nice suckout though.

by **ua1176** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:06 pm

by **iceman5** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:15 pm

by **ua1176** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:16 pm

yeah well i think you're wrong. lots of players, even bad ones, are capable of playing a range of hands in the same or a similar way.

you don't think my range is relatively realistic? i think if anything it's a bit tight. i didn't include any random hand that picked up a [d]

draw, and only 1/3 of the combos of 98 and KT, and only one combo of a pure bluff.

by **iceman5** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:21 pm

Shove the turn?

Shove the turn?

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