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2nd nut straight+NFD (no low) raised on Turn (PLO8 6-max$25)

Postby MTPaid » Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:21 pm

We're 5 handed and opponent is loose and fairly aggressive (59/13 for whatever that means). I have a very strong high hand + a redraw to the high nuts. There is no made low on board and I don't have a low draw.

Getting 2 to 1 here on the all-in, is this a call and how easy a decision should it be?

$0.1/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
5 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($13.90)
CO ($12.55)
BTN ($27.45)
SB ($8.75)
Hero ($22.95)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is BB [8h][4s][Ah][6c]
2 folds, BTN calls $0.25 ($27.20), SB calls $0.15 ($8.50), Hero checks ($22.70)

Flop: [7h][9h][4c] ($0.75, 3 players)
SB bets $0.25 ($8.25), Hero calls $0.25 ($22.45), BTN raises to $1.5 ($25.70), SB calls $1.25 ($7.00), Hero calls $1.25 ($21.20)

Turn: [Ts] ($5.25, 3 players)
SB checks ($7.00), Hero bets $5.25 ($15.95), BTN raises to $21 ($4.70), SB folds ($7.00), Hero ???
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Postby JDLush » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:33 am

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Postby Kuso » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:48 am

i'd snap call -- you might be good 3 ways (high, high redraw, and low draw). you probably have at least 2 ways.

also, don't bet if you're going to fold to a raise (not sure if jd noticed that)

against a lagtard, he could have bare nld + any fd making him draw for half. he could also have a set, the same straight, a nld + pr, etc. etc.

another line might be to check and evaluate, but i like this line better.

anyway, when sb folds, i like to call. he'll show you the nuts every so often, but he'll show you hands you are ahead of quite a bit. fwiw, the btn flop raise is what makes me think that he DOESN'T have 8J unless he had a wrap -- even then you probably have a lo draw and the nfd, so....
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Postby MTPaid » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:34 pm

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Postby Kuso » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:14 pm

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Postby JDLush » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:54 am

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Postby MTPaid » Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:50 pm

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:22 pm

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Postby Kuso » Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:24 pm

fwiw, i played a very similar hand yesterday. villain was a calling station rather than a lagtard.

200nlo8

pf - 5 limpers

flop - i bet flop with a decent low draw and a double gutter. 2 callers with one being a donating cs.

turn - i hit the 2nd nut str8 with no made low (yet) and a janky fl draw. i bet pot, cs pushes for a huge overbet, one fold, and i call.


i had a lot of notes on this cs, and one of the notes was that he loves any str8. i figured i was either beat but had redraws or i was on a massive freeroll. it turned out that he had the nuts with a better fl draw, i missed my draws and got scooped.

i actually questioned my play on this hand, but ultimately i like my decision. i theoretically could have folded on the basis that calling stations rarely overbet the pot without the nuts, but he would have to have a massive hand (nuts + redraws) every time for me to be a significant $ev dog against his range on the call. at that point, the decision becomes more of a metagame decision (e.g., do you need to show down a biggish hand, are you up and need to keep them down, can you induce overconfidence in villain, etc.). in my case, i was getting pushed around a little bit, and i needed to show down a hand, so i really like my play. the villain loosened up AND loosened up the table, so the game got a lot better. i won about 1/4 of a stack back, but i got A LOT of action on my big hands after that (unfortunately i split with all of my 2-way monsters).

i guess the cliff notes version is that i'm not afraid to give action to those i get it back from. you can't get carried away with that concept, but it's not a bad stance to take in moderation.
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Postby MTPaid » Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:31 pm

I used to feel the same way about give action to get action, but at the lower limits these clowns will win a pot, realize that its probably the only one they're going to win, get scared to lose it back, and run away. So it usually just turns into a hit and run.
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Postby Kuso » Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:47 pm

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