I did that a while back. Another thing to try is to swear to yourself that you will post any hand where you made an idiotic play. The embarresment of that should keep your bonehead plays to a min. I made one last night but luckily I didnt swear that I would post it, but believe me, it was real bad.

I was playing at Party and I just cant get myself to play very well there. I just see so many horrible players win big hands that I get dragged down to the level of competition. One of these days I'll be able to control that and I'll start playing there again but for now, Im at home at Prima.

Ais... I like the idea, but have a couple questions...

Do you have a strict criteria for a "stupid loss", or is it a hand by hand scenario...? Eg... If you hit trips on a single suited flop, and some bozo is playing 72s for a flush, losing your AK to someone playing A6 and hitting 2pr, or not letting go of Aces to someone who flopped trips...?

Also, if you were ahead, and make a stupid river call (as we all have, me more than most )... Like... You have ... flop ... Bet, get called... Turn ... Bet, get called... River ... Bet, he pushes... You make a crying call and he had ... Would you consider the river call the "stupid loss" or the whole hand...? In this instance, you were ahead till the river... If there was $200 in the pot at the turn, and $100 extra at the river.... How much would you consider the "stupid loss"...

I really do it on a hand-by-hand basis. I just ask myself whether the play was good or bad given the player, and on your AKs, I wouldn't be at all sure.

Here's the hand that got me started, against a guy who overplays a lot of hands, but doesn't get way out on a limb with bluffs typically. He's actually very readable and has been playing this game for the last week--still trying to find an opportunity to stack him.

I have JT and bet a TX3 (2 spades) flop from LP, get minimum check-raised by this guy. Well, it's fairly obvious I'm behind to all kinds of stuff, but I call the raise to $60. So, now we have $150 in the pot. He bets $40 into me on the turn, and I raise to $120. He calls--he has 33, as really should have been obvious. Now, the river is the 3rd spade, and he bets $100 into me (no paired board). I FINALLY fold it.

So, I figure I lost $150 unnecessarily here. But note his play. He doesn't protect his set very well here at all. Obviously, I wouldn't have raised the turn like that had I been on the spade draw, but it would have been an easy call. And he bet the river as if he had the nuts (at least my analysis).

Another hand against the same player (this one I didn't count but probably should have): I have KJo in BB. Flop comes J-high with 2 hearts. I bet out pot ($30), and he raises to $90 with the comment "I'm checking your kicker." (I had made a remark like that earlier after a hand on which we split the pot) I went ahead and called the extra $60, probably not a very good play. He said he had AJ and probably did. Now, the turn is Ah, making a possible flush (and 2 pair for him, I'm assuming). We both check. Again, I don't think this was a very good play on his part. I think he needed to bet that turn fairly hard (I obviously fold) for flush info. Now, the river comes a 4th heart, and I unfortunately don't have the right K here. Now he bets big, and I fold.

Anyhow, this one was a little dubious on my part, but I don't think just overtly wrong. K-kicker isn't that bad, and I'm in BB anyway, with possible serious kicker issues (although I wouldn't have bet out, but I don't think he's fully aware of that yet). So, I could say that I lost $60 unnecessarily there, too, but I don't think my play was just completely off-base here--maybe just a little on the "struggling" side.

Yet another (against the same player) was where I semi-bluffed a nut flush draw (Ac3c), he flat calls (I think with weak TP), then I end up making a straight on the turn, which I bet and he again calls (he made 2 pair). There was only one card missing on the river to get overstraighted, so I checked the river, and he fired out $90, which I called and won. I wonder there whether I should have tried to stack him (definitely would have given it a shot with the flush), but my straight was a little on the risky side. I should have looked at the board a little more carefully to see if it made any sense at all for him to have me over-straighted--in which case I did miss a nice river bet, as I think he would have called away everything with the 2 pair. But I didn't count that one either. Objectively, I really didn't have enough hand to raise or move in on the river, although possibly so against this particular player.

So, basically, I'm only counting clear stupidity here. I think both the KJ and the A3 straight were imo "controversial" but not outlandish, and I was having a really rough night catching anything at all. The JT was pretty horrible play (although it did give me some insight into how this guy plays a set).

I think one lesson to learn from several of these is: At least have some outs against the suspected hand you're up against, and against a set, I actually had none except something like runner-runner boat or such. On the KJ, even if he does have AJ, as I assume, I at least have 3 real outs when I call on the flop--although I'm not really defending the call on that basis.

I wouldve folded the KJ hand to his raise but i wouldnt thinkits bad enough to put in you stupidity column.

The JT hand most definatley does though.

Ok, maybe posting it here for public humiliation will keep me from doing this:

87s in MP. I limp behind open-limper and 6 people see the flop that comes Q96, with a flushdraw (none of my suit). EP bets *twice the pot* and I decide to *call* with my open-ended straight draw. Nobody else calls this blatant over.bet (go figure). Turn is a 7 so I have a pair with my draw... whoopie. He bets half the pot and I'm thinking I'll stack him if I hit and call again. River pairs the 9, he bets half the pot and I.... decide to call with the second lowest pair on the board!! He of course shows AQ for TPTK, in all fairness he could have had AA/KK as well, none of which I beat!! I almost tilted myself by playing this badly.

Most people that overbet the pot that I've seen have TPWK, and want to win it right there... I guess he was afraid of the draws, and that was the cause of his overbet... Either way, I 100% expect him to show me a queen w/ his betting...

I know. I was 100% sure I was beat and still called the bet... I guess I called out of frustration for playing so badly. Punishing myself by *intentionally* losing even more money. Really smart.

Yeah, to the overbet, it's not good. Around here, it seems like 2 pair is the standard overbetting hand...

I agree with you, ice, on the KJ, and actually, I think it achieved something the worse for my more long-term plans of setting people up for some plays. One thing that only became clear to me the last week is that even bad laydowns that cost little actually have good "setup" potential.

Ok, so if I laid down my KJ, and he had KJ or QJ, big deal. Now, he's liking playing back at me. So, I bet out my set sometime, and he raises... Now we've set up an enormous pot in a hand where I want one (I obviously don't with my KJ). And actually, against this guy, I don't mind calling the raise if I'm betting out nut draws, because he plays the turn passively and the river aggressively. Hence, I get a free (or cheap) card for one thing, and can probably stack him if I hit and he still thinks he has a hand.

In all actuality, I think one wouldn't be in too bad a shape laying down TP to a raise just about every time at most tables, and only really pursuing it on the turn if you get someone trying to outdraw you with the old check-call routine. (I obviously mean this read-dependent--one doesn't want to get just completely weak-tight on these things, but laying down can set up big hands just as well as being overly cally, a lesson I need to remember more often in the heat of battle)

Wow. This was so stupid it's kind of funny.

I'm on the blind with KJs. Someone in EP miniraisaes and gets a few callers so I decide to call as well. After I do this, I realise that the mini-raise has been mini-RE-raised from someone in MP. That's the first mistake. At least it doesn't get raised again, so I get to see the flop.

Flop comes 894 with one in my suit. I check, but the bet that comes is kind of weak and there's a few callers... so I decide to peel one off and see if I can hit a draw or something. That's the second mistake.

Turn comes T, giving me an OESD with two overcards. Now the bettor fires out almost a pot-bet. I look at his stack and see "Hell, he's got $20 left! I bet I can stack him if I hit, so with the implied odds, I have a call". And when I have called, I glance at MY stack and realise I only have $1.80 left!! I forgot to reload at this table after losing a pot a few hands ago, and I am up against the big stack!!

My draw missed but at least he checked his set of 8's so I got a free showdown.. what a mockery of a hand that was.

I had a stupidity win last night. Ugly stuff. Seriously ugly.

I post here as penance.

Get JT in MP and limp.
Flop is AQx. I check, some guy bets half or 2/3 the pot. I call. Why? I don't know. He clearly has an ace or a set or two pair. We're heads-up.

Turn is a T. So now I have 3rd pair to go along with my gutshot. Whoopdyfrickingdoo. I check again, he bets about half or 2/3 the pot again. I decide to be REAL optimistic and decide that I have J outs and T outs as well as K outs, so, wow, that's 9 outs total. Not enough to call, but I do anyway.

River brings my K. No flush possible; I have the nuts. I check it to him and of course he checks behind and I drag.

Is it possible to play worse than that??