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The dreaded min-raise, but...

Postby DaHitDogg » Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:11 pm

Aloha, played my first session since getting back from Hawaii yesterday so I was a little rusty. I was confused by this min-raise on the turn, what would you do? No reads really.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ DaHitDogg (9 max, 9 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($81.4)
Button ($115.1)
SB ($145.45)
DaHitDogg ($99)
UTG ($97.6)
UTG+1 ($96.55)
MP1 ($38.05)
MP2 ($136.05)
MP3 ($37.3)

Preflop: DaHitDogg is BB with [5s], [4c]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, 2 folds, SB (poster) completes, DaHitDogg checks.

Flop: ($6) [4s], [4d], [8h] (6 players)
SB checks, DaHitDogg bets $5, UTG+1 calls $5, MP1 calls $5, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($21) [Qd] (3 players)
DaHitDogg bets $15, UTG+1 raises to $30, MP1 folds, DaHitDogg calls $15.

River: ($81) [Qh] (2 players)
DaHitDogg checks, UTG+1 calls $60.55 (All-In)
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Postby JJSCOTT2 » Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:04 pm

Given the texture of this board, I personally think that this turn min-raise is much much more likely to be a queen hoping you have an 8 but afraid of making a really large bet incase you do have a 4, then when the queen hits the river, he's loving life and hoping he can get you to call if you do have that 4 but knowing you won't call any bet with an 8. The only part that confuses me about this hand is how he got to the turn with a queen, but I've seen enough crazy things to stop questioning why people call bets.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:35 pm

When he min raises, Im putting him all in. He very well could do that with 88, but Im doing it anyway because I think he called the flop with over cards and has a Q.

The way you played it, you have to fold the river.
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Postby DaHitDogg » Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:40 pm

Agreed, I put him on QJ or QT and was going to try and trap him on the river, because I thought it would be too easy for him to get away on the turn w/o a 4. Unfortunately I had to give it up when the 2nd Queen hit the board. Looking back the turn reraise all-in is better, and Ace or King likely would have killed my action on the river.
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Postby iceman5 » Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:38 am

So would an 8. So thats 13 cards that either kill your action or lose the hand.
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