I put the the CO on a bigger pocket pair. I knew I needed a set to win as I didn't put both of them on AK or AQ. I had to call $9 more preflop which is a loose call but is this something I should do? Assuming I double up, I'm calling $9 to win about $68. Close call. thoughts?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (10 handed)

MP3 ($73.7)
CO ($136.47)
Button ($29.5)
SB ($40.75)
BB ($96.9)
UTG ($54.37)
UTG+1 ($51.3)
Hero ($50)
MP1 ($12.2)
MP2 ($50.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with , .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, 2 folds, CO raises to $3, 3 folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $2.50, MP1 raises to $12.2 (All-In), CO calls $9.20, Hero folds.

Flop: ($28.65) , , (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($28.65) (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($28.65) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $28.65

Results in white below:
MP1 has Ad Ks (one pair, aces).
CO has Td Th (one pair, tens).
Outcome: MP1 wins $28.65.

I don't like this call either. My fairly conservative criterion is basically: Don't put in more than 10% of what you can win before seeing the flop. Here, it costs you $9, and, if you double up, you stand to gain $68, so it's too much.

The additional problem I see is that stack you're really playing against just called the re-raise. 22 is a horrible hand to play against an all-in, and it's just too unclear whether you are going to get any significant action from the big stack even if you hit.

See the following thread....

Lots of good and well thought replies here on a good topic. Just one additional question to possibly further complicate an already complex situation.

Do the replies to this point factor in the times (albeit rare) when you will lose your whole stack to set over set??

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When I'm trying to figure out what I'm gonna get out of the hand, I don't really factor things like "he's gonna hit a flush" or "set over set" type situations... Basically, it's "if I trip, I'll win their stack..." There are SEVERAL times that I'll trip on a 2-flush board, I raise the initial raiser, and he folds... Eh... those are the breaks... But, I don't think you can figure that into the equation, cause there's just INFINITE possibilities...

Plus, I'm dumb... So, "I trip and I win" is about as complicated as I usually get when I'm playing...

Well, on the "10% criterion," actually I do factor in a little bit of that stuff. If you just say that the set will stack them every time, you could go 7.5:1. But it won't, AND you run into coordinated boards, oversets, etc.

Actually, I think one should err a little bit on the low side of the 10% rather than on the high side, but it's just easy to figure, and I don't think it will get you into too much trouble if that's the quantity in question.