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Shove a powerful draw on turn? (NL$100 6-Max)

Postby DoctorHandles » Wed May 16, 2007 10:05 pm

No reads on SB, he just sat down with a $70 stack.

1. I raise [Jh][7h] to $4 on the button. Both blinds call.
2. Flop [8h][6h][4c], pot $12 blinds both check. I bet $10 and SB calls.
3. Turn [2c], pot $32. SB checks and has $60 behind. I want to bet here, but betting $23 commits me to a shove so I decide to just shove myself. Thoughts?
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Postby DoctorHandles » Thu May 17, 2007 1:02 am

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Postby iceman5 » Thu May 17, 2007 12:05 pm

I call you with TT if you push. If you bet $27, Im probably folding
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Postby DoctorHandles » Thu May 17, 2007 12:46 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Thu May 17, 2007 1:08 pm

Against the avg player, I check behind. If I suspect a guy is floating me, I bet. $22-$27 will get it done if hes floating with a weak hand but he shouldnt be doing that OOP.
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Re: Shove a powerful draw on turn? (NL$100 6-Max)

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Postby DoctorHandles » Thu May 17, 2007 3:17 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Thu May 17, 2007 4:26 pm

Nobody shoves $60 into a $32 pot with top set. Thats why I would call with TT if you did it to me.

Nobody shoves there because its a double pot bet and they want value. If you played hti shand a million times and shoved the turn, i would expect the guy to fold at least 80% of the time based on what his hand range probably is. Thats why nobody shoves in with a set and why everyone knows you dont have a set if you shove.

I might slightly overbet the pot though since there are now 2 flush draws and it might look like I have Ak and Im trying to buy in (if I had a set I mean). As I said, I think in the long run a check behind is better. Thats the reason we raise these types of hands in position. So we can take the free card.
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Postby AlexMR » Fri May 18, 2007 10:31 am

[17:16] alitomr: http://micropenis.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?t=723
[17:19] mekosking: wow
[17:19] mekosking: i give that poof a week tops
[17:19] mekosking: before he snuffs it
[17:19] mekosking: I THINK THAT MAY BE NV
[17:20] mekosking: IN DISGUISE
[17:20] alitomr: LOLZ
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Postby AlexMR » Fri May 18, 2007 10:50 am

[17:16] alitomr: http://micropenis.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?t=723
[17:19] mekosking: wow
[17:19] mekosking: i give that poof a week tops
[17:19] mekosking: before he snuffs it
[17:19] mekosking: I THINK THAT MAY BE NV
[17:20] mekosking: IN DISGUISE
[17:20] alitomr: LOLZ
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Postby DoctorHandles » Fri May 18, 2007 3:16 pm

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