hand 1. villain in the hand runs at 16/11/ 4. effective stacks are $620

he limps UTG+1. i limp in the CO with QTo. button limps, both blinds play.

5 handed. $30 pot comes. T84r. checks to me and i bet $24. villain calls
HU $78 pot. turn comes a T to complete the rainbow. he checks, i bet $48, he makes it $198.

hero ???

hand 2 effective stacks are 600. villain runs at 11/7/2.15

UTG limps, villain makes it $24. button calls, i call out of the BB with 99. UTG calls.

4 to the flop. $96 pot. flop comes A94r. checks around
turns a 4. I bet $66, only the villain calls
rivers a J. i bet $120. he jams. Any way he ever has anything but AA or JJ here?

Wow this first one is tough, I can make arguments for fold, call and raise. My gut says your beat here. A Big CR on the turn from a tight player is a monster pretty much everytime. This really smells like a slow played set, maybe J9 and for the life of my I cant put him on a hand you beat. This makes me feel weak tight all over but I think a fold is correct here.

Hand 2: I have consistently said that I don't want an ace on the flop in a raised pot against a good player. I am usually not getting a stack from AK, AQ. If he has KK I lose action and the only way the money seems to go in the pot is when I run into AA or JJ. More than a third of you stack is in the pot I really cant stomach folding, you are going to get shown an overplayed AK/AQ or AJ here enough I dont think you can fold but I am not really surprised when he turns over AA or JJ.

oops, i miswrote hand 1. the flop was T84, not Q84. the turn brought me trips though..

Where do you find such nits? And why do you choose to play with them?

Hand1. There is a chance that he is making a move, you bet smallish on the turn and it invites such kind of moves from a hand like 97. Another option is a set ot trips with JT, 9T. I think I'd call and reevaluate river. I would fold to a river push.

Hand2. Against such a nit I would lay down this set. If he weren't this nitty I would think that AJ could be in his range too, and he choosed to VB it against AK, AQ.

Yeah, hand 1 looks completely like underfull to me. I lay that down.

Hand 2, I really don't like letting it check around on the flop. The way it's played, yeah, I think he can have something other than AA/JJ, namely AK. But I think you'd have a better idea where you stand by betting into the raiser. JJ also seems at least fairly remote, since he called the turn. But I guess he might think you're just taking a stab at it or something.

I've had pretty good luck in that spot with a probe bet on the flop of maybe $35-$40. AK raises and will very often call a push. AA might flat call or mini-raise or something like that.

I can't see laying it down ever, but if you strongly suspect a bigger set, then you can consider playing defensively at least. Most players will take it easy on you in the attempt to milk, anyway.

#1) Easy fold against this guy. Hes got a 16% VIP and hes UTG+1. He has a pocket pair almost every time in EP which means 88 or 44.

#2) Good time to fold a set, if there ever is one.

wow, I don't think I've seen a post with such difficult laydowns, that, IMO, along with everyone else's... just have to be made.

Awful spots indeed, but the somewhat clear path in both is to lay them down. The first one you got yourself into with the preflop limp with Q10o. I'm surprised no one else has mentioned that besides the possible set, villian might easily have A10s/K10s?

Second one... as ice said, this might be a very rare occasion to lay down the flopped mid set.