Pearl Harbor was not invaded it was attacked.

you could more easily claim that the inflitration of Islamic terrorists was an invasion or that that ones born here were in rebellion.

why get personal?

So you're on board with not having the right to habeas right now, Beav? Doesn't bother you?

Going to feel the same way when a Democrat takes over the oval office in 2008?


There's an important difference between now and WWII, in my mind: the "war" we're engaged in right now ... doesn't seem to have an end-point. There's no specific enemy, and no specific way we're going to know when the "war" is "over." There will always have been and always will be terrorists out there of one sort or another. So the war can go on forever.

The really new thing, though, which is truly scary, is the blatant disregard for the Constitution shown here by Gonzalez. He's not saying that the present conditions justify suspending habeas. He's saying that nobody ever has had habeas corpus rights. He's saying that the Constitution itself does not guarantee those rights.

FDR suspended them ... for a time ... because of a threat.

Gonzalez says you never had them. That's just seriously f*cked up.