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As many of you here know, the players over at Tribeca are crazy. The number of donkies there is unusually high for some reason. I would put the donks into one of two categories:

1) The Calling Station. His stats are 60/5. If they limp in PF and there is a raise afterwards, they always call. If they get any piece of the flop, they will call down. Some of them will fold to bets on the river.

2) Overaggressive donk. Stats are 30/25. These peple love the 8x and 16x buttons at Tribeca. They'll raise you with anything. If you check to them, they'll bet 95% of the time.

The problem with playing against these type of players is that you actually need a hand. Forget about bluffing. And you can't just wait for the nuts at 6 max.

I don't know, maybe I just suck at poker, but I sit down and play over there, and it just boggles my mind the hands that these people play. And then I look at my results, and they just suck. Here is a graph of my play at Tribeca the last couple months. The two sites I've played in this time period are Victor Chandler and BetUS. I completed the VC $500 bonus, and I am halfway done with the other $500 bonus at BetUS.

About 3/4 of these hands are at 100NL, and the other 1/4 is 200NL (6 max for both)



100NL:
6437 hands.
+0.91 PTBB/100
VP$IP: 25%
PF Raise %: 15%
Aggression F/T/R: 3.14/2.26/1.87
Win SD %: 51%

200NL:
2289 hands.
+3.81 PTBB/100
VP$IP: 21.5%
PF Raise %: 13.5%
Aggression F/T/R: 3.26/2.76/2.13
Win SD %: 53%

An example hand from this morning: I raise it up with AJ on the button. My "Buddy" (And reason I am at this table. Same guy from this hand: ) calls my standard PF raise (He limped in UTG).

Flop is J, 2, 2 rainbow. He checks, I bet and he calls. Turn is an Ace, giving me Top two pair. He checks, I bet 3/4 bet, and he min-raises. I just call. River is a Rag. He takes a long time and pushes all-in. There is no way I am folding this hand to this donkey. Especially the history I have with him, proven by the hand in the link above. Of course I lose to his flopped quads.

Sure, against a competant player at Full Tilt or something like that, I can fold that hand, especially after the min-raise on the turn. But not here.

A lot of you have played, or currently play at Tribeca. Give me some good general advice for the play against these idiots. Tighten up even more? Limp more with suited connectors and one-gappers? Just stop playing at Tribeca?

I've won more money at 200NL than at 100NL, and that is with 3x less hands. Play more at 200NL? My current bankroll is $5500. That good enough to play 200NL 6 max most of the time?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! Help!!!

Stay offa Stars...then maybe I'll help you Had you at one of my tables Saturday...not that you were beating me, just annoying to have other decent players at the same table as me

$5500 is more than enough to play NL200 IMO.

The key to tribeca is identifying the calling stations and DON"T BLUFF THEM.

Ice's advice is good too.

I'd move up and take a shot ABSOLUTELY, but it's not enough to play full time - is my point. I think we agree.

What's the problem Lupar - with bonuses being 80% RB at Beca and you winning almost 4PTBB/100 at the $200 tables isn't that pretty good?

Overall that probably equates to $20+ per hr per table or something - seems like $80/hr for 4 tabling $200 is a good return to me..

I thought I'd give a quick recap of my foray into 200NL yesterday. Quite wild. Pretty typical of Tribeca though, right? heh



I'm sitting down at 3 200NL 6 max tables.

Hand 1: I'm seated between two total donks. The one I have position on, and the villain of this hand will raise with bottom pair or nothing. I think he folds only when he has no draw, no pair and not backdoor draws. Anyways, I lose ~$50 with AJ when I raise big PF, I make a 3/4 + pot cont bet, and he calls. He immediately went all-in on the turn. I folded.

Hand 2: After getting crap cards (J8 three times, and Q9 twice) in about 3 orbits, I finally pick up a good hand. Aces on the button. Donk#1 min-raises PF. I re-raise PF to $15. Donk #2 who sits behind me in the SB min-raises me. Donk #1 folds. I make the mistake of only calling, hoping to get it in after the flop. Flop is Q, T, 3 with two hearts. Donk #2 Checks. I bet, he min-raises, and I go all-in. He calls with his QTo. I lose ~ $184. I should have re-re-re-raised PF, but I doubt he would have folded.

Hand 3: After taking a little break, I find another juicy table. I'm in the BB with AQo. EVERYONE at the table limps. I raise it up to $15 PF. I get two callers. They both have VP$IP greater than 70%. (One as a short stack, the other has a full stack). Flop is A, Q, 6 with two hearts. Pot is around ~$48. I lead out for $32. Shortie folds. Other dude calls. Turn is a blank. Pot is at $112. I bet $85. He calls. River is . He only has like $40 left, and I put the rest of it in. He has K5 of hearts. I lose ~ $200. Nice Chase there dude.

Hand 4: I get involved in a hand with the other donk, who is a short stack and only has $25. All-in PF. I have . She has . Flop is . Turn and River are both Clubs.

I'm now down $455 in 45 hands. But do I quit against these fools? Hell no.

Hand 5: I get Aces and raise it up and 2 people call. I flop a set, but no one wants to play with me after the flop. + $22

Hand 6: UTG shortie raises small PF. I re-raise with pocket 8's. He re-raises all-in, and I have to call. He has Kings. I flop a set and win. + $45.

Hand 7: A 50/10 guy min-raises UTG. I call in the BB with Pocket 7's. Flop is T, 4, 4. I check, he bets 2/3 pot, and I check-raise. He calls. Turn is a 6. I lead out for $40, and he calls. River is a 9. I check, intending to give up, but he checks behind, and I win the pot. Musta had AK, but what the heck is he doing calling that turn bet? + $75.

Hand 8: Same table as above. I get Jacks UTG. I raise it up, and get one caller. Flop is Q, 7, 6 with two diamonds. I bet 2/3 pot and he calls. Turn is 9h. I check, and he bets really small, like 1/4 pot. I decide to call here and evaluate River. Probably a mistake. River is 5s. I don't think he has an 8 for the straight, or a Queen. I'm thinking a diamond draw. So I make a half pot blocking type bet. He calls. But I drag the pot. What the heck did he call with? He shows T9 of spades. So he called my flop bet with a gutshot. Nice. + $75.

Hand 9: The person I lost the KK vs KT hand above now has a stack of $47. I get Kings again on the button and raise. A limper and This idiot call. Flop is Q, 3, 2 with two hearts. Idiot goes all-in, which is just over the size of the pot. The limper calls! I go all-in, and the limper folds. Idiot has QT, and no suckout this time. + $85.

Hand 10: And then the big hand. Same table as above. This time, I get Aces again. UTG bets 4xBB. I re-raise to triple his bet. BB donk flat calls (The limper from the above hand), as does UTG. They both have $240, and I cover. Flop is J, 7, 6 rainbow. They both check, and I bet close to the size of the pot. The flat caller dude folds. UTG thinks for a long time and calls. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have Jacks. I'm thinking Kings or Queens. Jacks would have raised here I think. Turn is another 7. UTG checks, and I bet enough to put him all-in, which is about 3/4 size of the pot. He thinks a really really long time and finally calls with his pocket Kings. No two outer on the river for him, and I drag one of my biggest pots ever, $510. + $275.

So, the net of my hour at 200NL? 159 hands. + $92. and + lots of excitement. Whew.

And here is thia afternoons graph



I don't even know why I bother. Last hand there is set over set. First set for me of the day. We each had 140 BBs.

Maybe my 2 month hardly-play-any-poker-break was a good thing. What a joke