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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:09 pm

Here are 2 hypothetical hands I like to see how you guys would play.

Game is $1/ $2 NL....Standard $200 stacks

#1) You raise to $7 with [Kc][Qd]. One caller on the button.

Pot $17. Flop [Kd][4d][2d]. You bet $12. Villain raises to $36. You call.
Pot $89. Turn [8c]. You lead $50 and he flat calls.
Pot $189. WHat do you do here on the river?


#2) You complete [8s][7s] in the SB . BB raises to $7, you call.

Pot $14. Flop [Js][4s][3c]. You check / call a $10 bet
Pot $34. Turn [Ts]. You lead $16. He calls.
Pot $66. River [8d]. What do you put him on and whats youre move?
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Postby Stelvask » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:12 pm

hand 1: tough spot. I don't really know how much i like leading into him on the turn. I'm really worried he has a hand like [Ad]Kx here. Without a read I think I have to check fold. That big raise isn't a flush draw very often, at least not often enough for me to think he's got a naked one. If he makes a small bet, yeah sure i'll pay him off. but i've only put in $93. I don't particuarlly want to put in my whole stack with TP2K OOP.

Check the river, fold to most bets.

hand 2: I might have led into him on the flop. i don't give the BB credit for a hand here, and I want to take control of it. Still, give the way it's played, I think he's got something like AJ, maybe with the [As]. possibly a KQ type hand too, having picked up a draw on the turn so he can call you.

AJ calls a bunch of bets here. [As]x calls just about nothing, and neither does KQ. I think overpairs call anything less than pot too. That means you've got a range of hands that don't call a single bet (though they might bluff the river if checked to), and a range of hands that call a lot (but probably won't value bet the river if checked to).

Given that, I'm firing out $40. i think hands like AA/KK/QQ/AJ/KJ have to call that bet, and likely won't bet more than that if they were checked to (and they'd have to fold to a check raise at that).
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Postby k3nt » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:19 pm

What is the river card in hand 1? That would help a lot. :)
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:23 pm

River in hand 1 is a brick. Lets make it the [5s]
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Postby Triple B » Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:55 pm

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Postby T-Rod » Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:43 am

Hand 1) I'd love a read but I realize its hypothetical. My question is his turn call seems more like a drawing hand like A[d], etc. Shouldn't a set from a typical player raise there fearing a lone draw?

I lean towards ck/fold though.

Hand 2) I fire $35 I put him on a AJ/KJ type hand after that turn call.
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Postby iceman5 » Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:43 am

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Postby Triple B » Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:06 pm

In hand 2, if I have QJ, I have showdown value so I will check and hope for a showdown. If my hand is totally busted I probably give up without a read but would sometimes bluff depending on my mood :)
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Re: Hypothetical hands

Postby black_knight6 » Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:20 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:33 pm

So in hand #2, the consensus is to bet $35-$40 on the river. Now he shoves his whole stack all in. Do you call with the low flush? Does the fact that he just called on the turn make you think he has a flush also...or that hes bluffing and wouldve raised the turn with a flush?
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Postby black_knight6 » Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:36 pm

I like the smaller bet and, moreover, the SAME size bet on the river to induce the bluff...makes you look weak. If you bet 40, any raise is not likely a bluff.
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