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Postby NorthView » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:46 pm

Luck is an essential part of poker. You'll get "lucky" in making your flush draw on the turn 1/5 times. Except that it isn't really luck, it's part and parcel of what the game is about and without those "lucky" things happening the game simply wouldn't work.

I know nothing about US football so correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the game would still work fine if QBs didn't throw the ball into the ref or someone slipped, ie if it were a game of pure skill.

I can see there's a difference here between games designed to be luck-free like football and chess, and those where luck is a necessary and intrinsic part of the game like poker or backgammon.
Mon May 12, 2008 1:46 am
When I play a patient and relaxed game I win - that simple.

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Seriously, fuck poker.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:19 pm

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Postby Bosox1 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:08 pm

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Postby Bosox1 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:10 pm

"No, 'The stripper's bouncer beat the shit out of me' is not an acceptable answer"
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:27 pm

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Postby Cactus Jack » Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:53 pm

"Are the players better as the stakes go up? It's not an exam; it's a buyin." Barry Tanenbaum
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Postby pokerzen » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:09 pm

<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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Postby GooperMC » Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:20 pm

Rhound - I got 2 outted in a $2000 pot last year, I have also broke a cup in half playing catcher. The feelings were similar.
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Postby AlexMR » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:49 am

[17:16] alitomr: http://micropenis.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?t=723
[17:19] mekosking: wow
[17:19] mekosking: i give that poof a week tops
[17:19] mekosking: before he snuffs it
[17:19] mekosking: I THINK THAT MAY BE NV
[17:20] mekosking: IN DISGUISE
[17:20] alitomr: LOLZ
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Postby NorthView » Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:57 am

Mon May 12, 2008 1:46 am
When I play a patient and relaxed game I win - that simple.

Mon May 12, 2008 10:55 pm
Seriously, fuck poker.
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[21:03] NorthViewBTP: mac is a fellow mexican
[21:03] Mekosking: yup
[21:03] NorthViewBTP: you should support your bro
[21:03] Mekosking: therefore hes a fat worthless tsr obv
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Postby AlexMR » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:18 am

OK mofos, let's get something clear. The game could easily be declared a game of luck. The DAs (or whatever they are called) will only have to get some SD and WR numbers from any given players and prove that the results from say 100K hands can be drastically different. Then, for an average poker player that goes to the card room and plays an average of say 16hours/month @ 30 hands/hour that is 480 hands/month. Our average joe needs 208.33months or 17 yearsand 4 months to play an amount that even being significant can produce dramatically different results, even when some of you are going to say the results are not going to be very different, the mathemathical "certainty" says the oppossite.

If you consider that probably 16hours/months might be very inflated number for the average non-professional player, things get worse.

The long run is much longer than most people think, even when here we have some players who have played several 100K hands without great swings, that doesnt mean it is going to be the same for anyone else, or even for those same players in th next several 100K hands.

Anyone making a case establishing that poker is a game of luck because most players wont ever get to the "long run", is likely to convince a jury.
[17:16] alitomr: http://micropenis.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?t=723
[17:19] mekosking: wow
[17:19] mekosking: i give that poof a week tops
[17:19] mekosking: before he snuffs it
[17:19] mekosking: I THINK THAT MAY BE NV
[17:20] mekosking: IN DISGUISE
[17:20] alitomr: LOLZ
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Postby Jarren » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:57 am

I believe they did declare it was luck
I will try to find the article
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Postby Molina » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:08 am

It's official then, poker is luck.

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