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Jurors to Decide If Poker is Skill or Luck

Postby Johnny Hughes » Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:15 pm

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Postby shamdonk » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:05 pm

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby NorthView » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:21 pm

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When I play a patient and relaxed game I win - that simple.

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Seriously, fuck poker.
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[21:03] NorthViewBTP: mac is a fellow mexican
[21:03] Mekosking: yup
[21:03] NorthViewBTP: you should support your bro
[21:03] Mekosking: therefore hes a fat worthless tsr obv
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Postby pokerzen » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:24 pm

<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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Postby pokerzen » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:25 pm

<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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Postby Xaston » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:00 pm

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby k3nt » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:03 pm

If he has to prove poker is "purely skill" he has no chance, with any jury. Even a jury made up entirely of BTP folks (if we were honest).
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Postby emmasdad » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:05 pm

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Postby k3nt » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:07 pm

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Postby NorthView » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:11 pm

Last edited by NorthView on Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:14 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Mon May 12, 2008 1:46 am
When I play a patient and relaxed game I win - that simple.

Mon May 12, 2008 10:55 pm
Seriously, fuck poker.
==================================================================

[21:03] NorthViewBTP: mac is a fellow mexican
[21:03] Mekosking: yup
[21:03] NorthViewBTP: you should support your bro
[21:03] Mekosking: therefore hes a fat worthless tsr obv
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Postby emmasdad » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:13 pm

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Postby excession » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:24 pm

He has to prive pure skill. The prosecution is arguing mixed skill and luck. The prosecution is right.

The guy was running MTT's in London without a gaming licence.

I sure as hell don't want the UK courts to start finding it isn't a game of chance as that is what the 'no tax on winnings' ruling is based on.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:36 pm

In the context of this case I sincerely hope the ultimate decision is that poker is predominantly a game of luck with some elements of skill.

We can all wave the flag for poker and yeah I like the Gutshot and the principle behind it but (without looking into this further, and thus leaving myself vulnerable to being a total fucking idiot like I usually am) it seems to me this is a case whereby a club owner decided to (?) evade tax, and DEFINITELY evade legality in making a good chunk of cash running a poker game.

I'm not convinced that "winning" this case is the best thing for poker anyways. Do you really want every opponent you play to understand that poker is legally a game which does not involve luck? That the law of the land in which you live is TELLING them that they're not gambling or playing a game of luck, but a game in which they are guaranteed to lose?

Maybe there's a balance to strike between publicity and too MUCH publicity, and between pushing poker and protecting the rights of people who actually do something constructive for a living. I'm all for people in power taking their pound of flesh from the world of poker because we contribute absolutely nothing useful to society or humanity. I love the game but it SHOULD be hammered by the powers that be, ahead of almost anything else - the mental skills you learn playing poker are a hugely positive influence in life but with that one exception it doesn't contribute much more to society than any other plaything. The defendant in this case is (presumably) making a few quid out of it whilst ignoring the (admittedly ignorant) law of the land so although I don't blame him, I'm not going to be jumping up in his defence either....
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Postby iceman5 » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:30 pm

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Postby GooperMC » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:34 pm

Rhound - I got 2 outted in a $2000 pot last year, I have also broke a cup in half playing catcher. The feelings were similar.
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