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Postby Pok 7's » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:03 pm

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Postby Danhdan » Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:17 pm

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Postby Kuso » Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:11 pm

if you like limit games, i'd move towards HU/SH anything.

- there are plenty of HU/SH LHE games that are "good" and beatable for a decent winrate, imo. game selection is key.

- HORSE - also limit, and FR is probably not bad. HU/SH is probably better, since i imagine that there are few players who are good at all the games SH.

- LO8 - this is a really good SH game -- people can justify playing all sorts of cards and chasing all sorts of draws that are -------EV. Lots of varaince, but....


If you're not afraid of big bet poker, i think NLHE is the obvious choice. PLO is good, but there will be some game selection issues at times. both of these are really good options if you have the patience for HU/SH play.


anyway, the short version, HU/SH play in pretty much anything is a safe choice. if you like to multitable (FR or 6max), NLHE and maybe PLO is pretty much all you've got if you like to have decent game selection.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:43 pm

PLO is the closest game in terms of mental skill-set to LHE, as far as I can see.
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Postby Pok 7's » Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:21 pm

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Postby Xaston » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:49 pm

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Postby excession » Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:14 am

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:22 am

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Postby Xaston » Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:30 am

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:26 am

There are different styles that are successful in each game, and the games play very differently but I think the mental tools you need are quite similar:

- being able to put opponents on a range of hands and determine your equity against them is important in both games
- betting small edges and putting your money in when you're ahead rather than behind; because in both games it'll be a rare situation when your bet is going in either severely -EV or +EV (in limit, because the bets are small compared to the pot, in PLO, because hand values tend to run quite close together); there's a much greater mathematical element to the game than in NLHE, where reading an opponent's betting is a lot more important and you'll either be making a large error or a big profit by putting your stack in, in EV terms.
- the game can be played in a very mechanical way; you can multi-table both with tons of games running at once, and rarely deviate from your usual style and betting patterns, and still beat most games if you're good enough. I can't imagine how this could be done at any decent level in stud or NLHE because much more observation is required. So, being able to multi-table is a massive skill in both games.
- positional aggression - you need to be able to hammer, hammer, hammer from LP in both games.
- until you're playing good players in bigger games, most folks play fairly similarly and predictably in both games so, using a "typical player" read until proven otherwise you can usually make decent enough decisions against an unknown opponent without hurting yourself too much, I'm not sure you can do this to the same extent in other read-heavy games like NLHE (though I may be wrong).

So I think there's lots of similarity but I suppose that's primarily just an opinion. I reckon that people who are successful in one game are MORE LIKELY to be able to dominate in the other (ONCE THEY'VE LEARNED THE GAME!) than, say, a limit player moving to NL, or a PLO player moving to stud or something.
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