Both Ivey and Juanda's winrates in FTP are just amazing. I hve not datamined but I have seen them bith for lots of hours and they keep wte.winning at an amazing rate.
What was very surprising to me is that they are both playing qite TAG most of the times and I dont see the kind of threebetting and raising iceman is talking about.
Negreanu not a winning player online?
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by AlexMR » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:23 am
[17:16] alitomr: http://micropenis.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?t=723
[17:19] mekosking: wow
[17:19] mekosking: i give that poof a week tops
[17:19] mekosking: before he snuffs it
[17:19] mekosking: I THINK THAT MAY BE NV
[17:20] mekosking: IN DISGUISE
[17:20] alitomr: LOLZ
[17:19] mekosking: wow
[17:19] mekosking: i give that poof a week tops
[17:19] mekosking: before he snuffs it
[17:19] mekosking: I THINK THAT MAY BE NV
[17:20] mekosking: IN DISGUISE
[17:20] alitomr: LOLZ
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by iceman5 » Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:31 am
"4. There is more bluffing going on in high limit cash games online. This one is a little more complicated, but it's definitely something that seems significantly different about playing online versus live.
It's much, much easier for a player to follow through with a bluff online than it is in a live scenario. There is no fear of giving off a tell, and no fear of an opponent staring you down, etc.
All you have to do is press a button and "voila," bluff attempt is made. In a live game, you have to actually count out the chips with your opponent watching you. You might even have to count some cash, all of the time with the added pressure of your opponent watching your every move. Some players choke under that kind of pressure. Not all, but some definitely do.
Online, you have to remember how your opponents have played past hands based on their screen name as well as taking notes. That's very different from being able to remember a player in a live scenario. I suck at that.
The best online players play anywhere from 3-8 games at once. Seriously, I can't focus on more than one for any significant length of time. Playing in two games makes it even more difficult for me to read my opponents as I lose track of what is even happening."
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This is the crux of why live games are astronomically easier to beat. People almost never make big bluffs in live games. At least not 5/10 and lower. When they do, they are pretty easy to pick up on. The variance is just soooooo much higher online because of this.
It's much, much easier for a player to follow through with a bluff online than it is in a live scenario. There is no fear of giving off a tell, and no fear of an opponent staring you down, etc.
All you have to do is press a button and "voila," bluff attempt is made. In a live game, you have to actually count out the chips with your opponent watching you. You might even have to count some cash, all of the time with the added pressure of your opponent watching your every move. Some players choke under that kind of pressure. Not all, but some definitely do.
Online, you have to remember how your opponents have played past hands based on their screen name as well as taking notes. That's very different from being able to remember a player in a live scenario. I suck at that.
The best online players play anywhere from 3-8 games at once. Seriously, I can't focus on more than one for any significant length of time. Playing in two games makes it even more difficult for me to read my opponents as I lose track of what is even happening."
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This is the crux of why live games are astronomically easier to beat. People almost never make big bluffs in live games. At least not 5/10 and lower. When they do, they are pretty easy to pick up on. The variance is just soooooo much higher online because of this.
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by MTPaid » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:55 pm
I'm guessing Daniel didn't watch the Sammy and Eli show after he left the table at HSP.
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