Albert Pujols is a God

[The Golden 1]

[AlexMR]

1.-Clemens? 2.Maddux?? I dont see it. ERA? WHIP? Opp. BA? Win % (I think Pedro is second highest of all times!

You want him with more wins? give me a break! The guy had an ERA of 1.55 and 300+ strikeouts and could only win 17games because he was with the greates Montreal Expos!

I will give you detailed carreer numbers on Clemmens, Maddux and Martinez and the numbers cant not stand comparisson ! (later).

K/BB, K/IP, Win %, WHIP, Opp BA... he is the active leader of all those K/9/IP where he is slightly behind of Randy Johnson (10.8 to 10.3). I think his win % is the best of all times! I am not sure because I saw some stat the other day that puts him on second. That is for the one talking about his 202 wins.

I am still waiting for stats that make me believe he is not by far the best active (and of this ERA) and who knows if the best of all times.

Clemems? I really consider him to be the second best. 3.12ERA compared to 2.72. Slightly higher whip (Pedro's 1.02 is the best by far!). I think he is 7th in win% vs. Pedro's 1st or second, opp. BA, pedro leads the active pitchers.

I dont want to hear about awards given. I want to hear about game stats. The numbers that nobody can alter. Not the votes of a bunch of guys whose motivations can/are wide.

Does anyone remember a few years ago when Barry Zito won the Cy Young? Could anyone in their right mind argue that the best pitcher of that year was Pedro Martinez?

Here is a link to a poll results. They say sandy Koufax is the third one!! For God's sake! He doesnt even have better number than Maddux, Johnson or Juan Marichal!! ERA? higher than Pedro's. BAA? much higher than Pedro's. WHIP? Wont even say...and all that in a time where the avg batting avg was much lower than now. Win%?? K/9IP?

Bring me the numbers!! I'd like to believe that BASTARD (he didnt join the dominican team and I kinda hate him now!) is not the best. But he is.

[The Golden 1]

[AlexMR]

You might be right. I am not discarding your stats. I will check out the avg for the leagues and compare the difference. Runs/9IP vs ERA and so on. I checked the stats I posted by the end of the last season and Pedro's were better.

[MTPaid]

Randy 'Freakin Johnson. Give me all 3 in their prime and I can pick one that I don't have to face, I'm sittin out Randy. How could he not be mentioned in the top 3?


Player---------Wins--Win%--ERA--GS----IP-------K------WHIP--OAVG--K/BB--K/9
Johnson------268---.660----3.14--520--3636---4401---1.16----.216-----3.24--10.89
Clemens------341---.665----3.12--671--4704---4502---1.17----.229-----2.96---8.61
Martinez------202---.706----2.72--358--2552---2903---1.02----.208-----4.31--10.24
Maddux-------323---.630----3.01--645--4444---3081---1.13----.246-----3.37---6.24

Johnson
1st full season 1989
Pitched in Seattle (old park HR friendly), Arizona, New York.
4th active in Wins, 2nd active in K's, 4th active in GS, 4th active in IP, 3rd active in CG, 2nd active SHO
All Time - 3rd K's

Clemens
1st full season 1984
Pitched in Boston, Toronto, New York, Houston
1st active in Wins, 5th active in ERA, 1st active in K's, GS, IP, CG, SHO
All Time - 9th Wins, 3rd K's, 10th GS

Martinez
1st full season 1993 (63 relief appearances - started 23 in '94)
Pitched in Montreal, Boston, New York
4th active in K's
All Time - No top 10 appearances

Maddux
1st full season 1987
Pitched in Chicago, Atlanta (only 1 of 4 that never had to face DH)
2nd active in Wins, 3rd active in ERA, K's, 2nd active in GS, IP, CG, 3rd active in SHO
All Time - No top 10 appearances

[AlexMR]

[MTPaid]