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You'd lose your stack here... right? Ya?

Postby Suhleafs » Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:42 pm

Ok, the other guy had about $100, I had close to $50

Decent player, not BTP level though.

$50 NL, Prima

An EP limps for 0.50, I limp with [2c] [2d], Villain raises to $2.50. EP calls, I call hoping to flop a set and double through.

Flop: [2h] [6h] [9h]

Pot is about ~$7.00 if you include the blinds minus the rake.

EP checks, I overbet the pot trying to get all the money in from the Villain, I bet 12, he min-raises to 24, EP folds. I should push the rest in, hoping he has QQh, KKh, AAh right?

Exactly what I did, to my dismay he called and showed [Ah] [Kh] and I didn't fill up on the turn or river.

Would you go about this the same way?
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Apr 25, 2005 5:56 pm

I doubt he would check with a big pair with a big heart. I wouldve just called and wait to see what the turn brings.
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Postby Suhleafs » Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:02 pm

I think you might have got a bit confused.

The villain had position on me, while the EP folded to the $24 raise.
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Apr 25, 2005 6:09 pm

Oh OK. In that case, I like it.
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Postby Mad Genius » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:06 pm

I don't like it. I don't wanna be playing a big pot in this type of situation where there is almost no way I am a big favorite. I would check-call the flop and bet out any non-heart on the turn.
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:22 pm

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Postby Suhleafs » Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:22 am

I think that, if you either overbet the flop, or check call the flop then lead the turn on a non-heart, the money is getting in the middle no matter what.

So why not get it in when you are most likely a favoured hand but if not, then you still have outs with 2 cards to come?
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Postby Mad Genius » Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:47 am

I'll try to explain my thought process as concisely as possible. Basically, it boils down to how big of a pot you want to play with your holding on that flop. If you get a lot of action, you are probably up against either an overpair with a heart or a made flush. I don't like the idea of putting in your money basically hoping to be a 2-1 favorite rather than a 3-1 dog, etc. By check-calling the flop, you are able to control the size of the pot. Not only do you leave room to get away from your hand if it later appears that you are beat, but you are also able to buy a fairly cheap card. Right now you have a strong hand, but if you can keep the pot in check and try to draw for a boat, you would much prefer to get the money in with teh boat right, where he is most likely drawing to 2 outs at best.

Not only that, but if you show too much strength on the flop clearly your opponent could get scared if he is holding just one pair, knowing that the flush could be out there. Furthermore, if he has absolutely nothing (say AK with no heart), by check-calling you give him a chance to either improve his hand (but still be behind you) and/or try to bluff you on a later street.

I'm having tired trying to put up a good explanation, but I am convinced that this line is the best for this particular situation. I just saw the stack-sizes actually, which makes me think maybe getting all the money on the flop is better. For some reason I was under the impression they both started with 200xBB.
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