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Postby briachek » Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:02 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:08 pm

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Postby bensberg » Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:22 pm

Hand #1) 22 or 99 - EDIT: after reading the turn was a 4, I'll add 44 as the most likely
Hand #2) KK or AA ,leaning toward KK
Hand #3) 67s
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Postby Stelvask » Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:25 pm

k. ima go with everything i know about iceman and take the easy answers here:

hand 1: 44. i don't see why you'd check 22 on that flop when someones likely to have AK, you're losing money that way i think. I also don't think you'd limp after two others with AK. i know you like to open limp with it to trap, but i don't see why you'd take a multi-way flop with it if you could avoid doing so.

hand 2: have you ever reraised a big stacks raise when holding AKs? to the best of my knowledge that goes against your style of play at the lower limits, so i'd assume you're not doing it up thre. I'm going to go with black aces, with an outside chance at black kings. either way, i think you know he doesn't have [As][Ks], because you have one of those two cards in your hand. If he's solid, then that would rule out a flush draw on the flop and leave a PP lower than yours - though hopefully not a set - in his remaining holdings.

I'm still going with black aces though.

hand 3:
because of the the limper i'm going to rule out the chance of AA or KK. then i'm going to rule out any pair 88 and up becaus i don't see why you would just call the flop bet instead of raising for information. that leaves a flopped set. i don't think it matters which one.
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Postby Stoneburg » Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:30 pm

#2: I guess [As] [Ad] makes sense since you can eliminate AKss and that leaves AKo, KK and QQ meaning you don't mind giving a cheap card for the flush since he can't catch it.
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Postby allstar » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:01 pm

REsults?

come on man - youre killing us
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Postby T-Rod » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:08 pm

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Postby Twelver » Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:08 pm

Ok I am very late readin this post, but I will give my two cents worth anyways.

Hand 1 - I don't think you have 22 only b/c I think you would have bet something there trying to build the pot. 44 is a very good possibility.

Hand 2 - I think you may bery well have [As] [Ks] . You certainly do not appear to be afraid of the flush draw, so I think I would rule out something like AA

Hand 3 - Set of 3's, 6's or 7's. I just don't see you calling a raise out of position with any kind of low suited connectors.

For what it's worth.

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Postby Tokenizer » Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:28 pm

I want to know why so many people in hand #2 think iceman *isn't* worried about a flush draw? He reraised a raiser preflop which in itself should take out a lot of suited hands. If he has a suited connector hand like JsTs and is loose then iceman is still giving him incorrect odds to hit the draw. He needs 4:1 to hit on the turn, you don't need to give him 2:1 odds to make it an incorrect call. At this level I would think the implied odds go down because we know GOOD players will not blindly pay off the flush if it hits so betting the pot isn't completely needed IMO. I agree though that iceman probably has the As or the Ks but I also don't think he needs to worry a ton about it in the first place. Maybe that's my inexperience shining through.
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Postby tommyhawk » Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:38 pm

1. 22

2. AA

3. 910 off
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Postby iceman5 » Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:53 pm

Results................

Hand #1) I had 77. I thought this was a pretty good bet on my part as it looks like I have an ace and I doubt that a hand like 88, 99, TT would have the cajones to raise me. If I was last to act and made that bet, I would have a better chance of getting called which I didnt want. I was happy with the pot as it was. They all folded.

Hand #2) I had KK. I dont have PT on this computer so I cant check and I really dont remember if I had the [Ks] or not, but I not only was I not worried about the flush draw, tokenizor is right that I still didnt give him good odds to chase it. I hadnt seen this guy raise with suited connectors, so it wasnt a real big concern. He folded.

Hand #3) This is the contorversial one. Just about everyone of you thought I had a set, but I didnt. I made the play look exactly like a set and Im sure everyone at the table including the villain thought I had a set. I had QQ.

The reason that its controversial is because I almost let him get TOO pot committed to fold AA or KK. He was gettting almost 4:1 which is hard to fold when the pot is that big. He did fold though. I really needed a bigger stack to play it this way, but I wasnt expecting him to bet so big at the turn. Of course I may have had the best hand but he thought a long time before folding so I dont think I did. I was sweating bullets as the timer clicked down.

I shouldve reraised preflop I guess. I dont have that many hands with the guy, but I have seen him call $50 preflop with AT so I dont respect his play a whole lot which is even more reason to reraise preflop and not let him get pot committed before making my move like I did.

There was some pretty good analysis by some guys, but hand #3 fooled all of you. Probably because the play was pretty questionable, although if it made him fold AA / KK , it may have been genius.
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Postby Twelver » Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:07 pm

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Postby briachek » Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:21 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:34 pm

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