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The 400 BB pot--(4 buy ins)

Postby T-Rod » Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:17 am

Gotta believe this is rare, no? You pros tell me this is childs play! :wink:

Pot was over 400 big blinds or 4 buy ins.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, .$50 BB (6 max, 5 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($29.80)
MP ($29.50)
Hero ($131.17)
SB ($64.75)
BB ($72.86)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Th], [Ts]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, MP raises to $2, Hero calls $2, SB (poster) calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50, UTG folds.

Flop: ($8.50) [9h], [Tc], [Kc] (4 players)
SB bets $0.5, BB raises to $20, MP folds, Hero raises to $39.5, SB calls $39, BB calls $19.50.

Turn: ($127) [Ks] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $25, SB calls $23.25 (All-In), BB calls $31.36 (All-In), Hero calls $6.36.

River: ($212.97) [8h] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $212.97

Results in white below:
SB has Ac 5c (one pair, kings).
BB has 7c 8c (two pair, kings and eights).
Hero has Th Ts (full house, tens full of kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $212.97.
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Postby briachek » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:28 am

you have to love playing with some retards. Drawing dead on the turn feels so good when you are on the right end of it.
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Postby kennyg » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:38 am

I thought for sure someone had KT!!

nice job...wonderful morons on that one.
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Postby Tokenizer » Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:11 am

I don't think this is really a "donkey" play by anyone. The BB has a huge draw with the OESD and flush besides. Once he gets in he couldn't get himself out although he had to think someone was on QJ or had a higher draw here so some of his outs, if not all, had to be counterfieted. The SB, after seeing 3 way action, has to think someone has QJ or a set but he is being pulled along by pot odds when it gets back to him. I think this played out like you would expect this to play out at a $50 NL table. At least in my experience this holds true to the level of play were people know odds, outs etc, but don't think them through enough to discount them and make a tough laydown.

EDIT: The FLOP play wasn't bad to clarify... the turn play is still horrible once the board pairs but it still relates to the last line of the above paragraph.
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Postby T-Rod » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:02 am

I think the real donkey move is the SB leading out with 20 into a 8.5 pot with 3 to act after him.

Let's say SB made that huge lead as a semi-bluff. He didn't want his 20 called. Well if it was a bluff, you can't become pot committed on the turn IMHO can you? Yes, I know about pot odds, but after someone reraises your bluff and another smooth calls, I believe that you chances of winning with a 78s are less than 5%. I don't care what the pot is laying you.

On the other hand, the way Token writes it, I look like I played it perfectly and its all because of my genius slow play trapping so forget what I just said. :wink:


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Postby Tokenizer » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:11 am

I don't think his chances are that bad at all... until you discount the outs for the flush because someone is drawing to the nuts. He's also drawing to the sucker end of a straight that someone could already have. If that wasn't the case he's close to 50/50 to win the hand against a set on the flop, which is what he was probably thinking, but he forgot to discount his draws because both could be dead.

The SB made a real weak lead with the nut flush draw (you'll see this a lot at the $50-$100 tables). The BB made a gross overbet for whatever reason I can't even guess but I'm going to assume it was to win the pot right there and not have to draw. It's at this point (If I were you) that I would get my money in the pot because I don't think he has a made hand at all with that bet or if he did I would guess KT or K9.

At any rate I can see the flop action happening in some sort of logical manner but I still have no idea how they didn't save the ~$25 on the turn after the board paired. Good for you though, nice hand.
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Postby briachek » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:20 am

trodgers,

good thing you were playing morons because someone vastly overbet the pot after a weak lead by the sb and you min raised so he should know he is in really big trouble but he committed himself with the vast overbet. He had a big draw so you min raise could have been a big mistake as at the time he had 14 outs (if I am counting right) to beat your set.
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Postby T-Rod » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:30 am

I agree; more moronic play by opponents than genius play by me.

I knew he was pot committed so I why did I min raise? Dumb. I had him on a big pair (after cold calling two pfr) or most likely AK (his 20 bet looked like it didnt' want to be called like TPTK). I didn't read him right for a SC. I guess I was lucky.

If I were the SB, and I was going to bet 20 into an 8 pot with my 14 outs, then why not just push it in? You might have gotten the A high flush to fold. I would have called but it wouldn't have been easy (as I feared KK which is logical hand for him in his cold call preflop).


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Postby briachek » Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:03 am

If he had raised normally on the flop, he might have been able to get away from it. of course this would mean he would be a good player that can tell that you obviously have a set or the nut straight.
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